Systema PTW MP5

Ronan · December 18th, 2007, 23:10

http://forums2.blacksierra.net/viewtopic.php?t=148

Date of December 10th 2007

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This morning BSP received news from SYSTEMA that they will halt shipment of their Professional Training Weapons (PTW) line of replicas for the next two months in preparation for the upcoming release of an MP5 model. According to a press release given to BSP, "Although we will announce the exact date next year as early as possible, by the spring of 2008 for reconstruction such as extension of component storage and assembly space and extension of inventory shelves in our factory , and for construction of MP5 production line, we have to stop shipment of PTW about two months. And, during the period, SYSTEMA parts will not be able to be shipped for about one month. Although we plan it from February or March, we will certainly inform as soon as it is decided."

This means that SYSTEMA has finally heeded the call for an MP5 training platform to go with their current M4 line, and it should only be a matter of months before we will see the first models hit the market. This is exciting news for airsoft enthusiasts, but it's absolutely huge for the military and law enforcement demographic. SYSTEMA's M4 is widely considered the best available training tool for that genre, but it could never fill the sub-gun role for tactical teams like an MP5 can. Now law enforcement agencies can order a tool that will look, feel, and operate just like the real thing (with the exception of the obvious recoil and brass). This will be invaluable when training in a tactical environment (I.E. SWAT or MOUT).

Supposedly there was some hesitance from within the SYSTEMA corporation to go with an MP5 platform due to the Heckler and Koch patent lapsing on the MP5, which led to rumors that the company may cease production of the popular sub machine gun. Whether those rumors are true or not, the MP5 will continue to be the most widely used platform for law enforcement agencies worldwide. This must have factored into the decision for SYSTEMA because they chose to go with MP5 over other possible sub guns like the H&K UMP. While the UMP is becoming popular with some law enforcement because of it's higher caliber (.45), the MP5 still dwarfs the UMP with its overall usage throughout the world. The UMP may be the future, but the MP5 is the past and the present.

mcguyver · December 18th, 2007, 23:17

So, basically, you won't see it in the hands of a Canadian until summer at least, unless you want to pay a huge premium getting a business with the proper license to import it from an Asian retailer.

This shut-down by Systema has been known for a while, and after they re-start is when pricing is slated to go up alot. They're trying to sell off their inventory now, hence the 2008 PTWs for 2007 pricing. There is also likely to be shortages on some stuff during this time.

I noticed they made no mention of using HK mags for the PTW. This was a sticking point for Systema for some time.

Ronan · December 18th, 2007, 23:19

Stock up on everything, thats what i did... *eats bread and pasta*

Moz · December 18th, 2007, 23:20

wait? the mp5 patent is lapsing?

When the fuck are the cheap knockoff real steel mp5s hitting the market!

mcguyver · December 18th, 2007, 23:22

The MP5 even in a semi-auto form would still be illegal here, unless they could somehow manage to change enough of it so they could claim it was not a variant of it at all. Good luck.

Ronan · December 18th, 2007, 23:24

Wait why would it be illegal? We have M4 and M16 PTW's... why not a MP5 PTW?

mcguyver · December 18th, 2007, 23:25

Real MP5, bonehead!!!

Death March · December 18th, 2007, 23:31

LOL,sorry thats funny!

Ronan · December 18th, 2007, 23:36

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Originally Posted by mcguyver

Real MP5, bonehead!!!

Leave my boner out of this!

ThunderCactus · December 18th, 2007, 23:38

I'll try to remember to take a picture of myself with an MP5 PTW when Mark gets one in lol

Ronan · December 18th, 2007, 23:39

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Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

I'll try to remember to take a picture of myself with an MP5 PTW when Mark gets one in lol

Take it naked and we can post it in youporn

Edit: http://www.lastudiojapan.com/systema_LASpecial_en.htm
$2700 for the whole thing lol

Sergeantmajor · December 18th, 2007, 23:46

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Originally Posted by Moz

wait? the mp5 patent is lapsing?

When the fuck are the cheap knockoff real steel mp5s hitting the market!

theres already a bunch in the USA. we can't have it tho...its all on the black list made by the liberals...

BBS · December 19th, 2007, 00:39

optimistically, its time to start saving.

super_six_four · December 19th, 2007, 06:45

damn they will look good. a change for the ptw guys

Jayhad · December 19th, 2007, 12:40

wow you PTW fanboys are lucky now you get to pay $2800 on an indoor gun, good buy and enjoy the bus

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December 18th, 2007, 23:17	#2
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	So, basically, you won't see it in the hands of a Canadian until summer at least, unless you want to pay a huge premium getting a business with the proper license to import it from an Asian retailer. This shut-down by Systema has been known for a while, and after they re-start is when pricing is slated to go up alot. They're trying to sell off their inventory now, hence the 2008 PTWs for 2007 pricing. There is also likely to be shortages on some stuff during this time. I noticed they made no mention of using HK mags for the PTW. This was a sticking point for Systema for some time. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

December 18th, 2007, 23:22	#5
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	The MP5 even in a semi-auto form would still be illegal here, unless they could somehow manage to change enough of it so they could claim it was not a variant of it at all. Good luck. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

December 18th, 2007, 23:25	#7
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	Real MP5, bonehead!!! __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

December 18th, 2007, 23:20	#4
Moz Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario	wait? the mp5 patent is lapsing? When the fuck are the cheap knockoff real steel mp5s hitting the market!

December 18th, 2007, 23:31	#8
Death March Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Manitoba	LOL,sorry thats funny! __________________ Death Before Dishonor" Bleeding Black Label"

December 18th, 2007, 23:38	#10
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	I'll try to remember to take a picture of myself with an MP5 PTW when Mark gets one in lol

December 19th, 2007, 00:39	#13
BBS Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BC, Canada	optimistically, its time to start saving.

December 19th, 2007, 06:45	#14
super_six_four Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Calgary, Alberta	damn they will look good. a change for the ptw guys

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