Systema PTW, in game spring swap?

Fox Hound · November 28th, 2007, 17:12

I've always pondered if the ptw would be a good purchase. Then i looked and said its pretty much all the same, but I always find myself modding the internals and spending quite some time and money invested in a particular gun. And also at times in the field i wish i had a variable spring inside so i could reach out and knock that person 150ft away. So i thought hey if i could do this in the field quickly under 5 seconds and have an optimum gun, then MAYBE the systema would be a fine buy.

So really my question is for example I go into a game with the 400fps (dont know what colour yet) could i switch springs for further distant shots only, lets say the 500fps spring, and then replace it back with the 400fps spring for normal schrim?

Manchilada · November 28th, 2007, 17:16

Hop-up takes time to adjust and mosts fields in Canada won't let you shoot 500 fps. Swap is quick though (~10 seconds or so if the cylinders are handy).

(sorry for all the editing... comp at work is fucking with me)

swatt13 · November 28th, 2007, 17:17

well, i dont own one yet so take my opinion for what its worth, but that is the reason im buying one... cept the other way around (400-300) but its fairly easy to swap, push bidy pin out, split body, pull charging handle remove cylinder assy, insert new cylinder assy, close and secure body. should take 30 sec maybe less with practice.

Mantelope · November 28th, 2007, 17:19

Again, the hopup is the biggest problem. It'll take at least a minute or two to set properly, and it's completely unfeasible to perform while in-game.

Tankdude · November 28th, 2007, 17:21

Maybe a 2nd complete upper would be better.

Two pins and your done right?

Have a CQR with a M90 and a M16 upper with a M130.

Expensive.

Fox Hound · November 28th, 2007, 17:39

I guess that feature i was hoping it would have, would have me buying one...

the guys on youtube do it so quickly i would think that it was done in like than 15 seconds lol.

Well are there any other nifty things i might not know about this?

kmsakura · November 28th, 2007, 17:53

i think you can swap the hopup and the mechbox in an inokatsu aeg. though there not exactly portable or good for sniping. m60's are great though i wish i had 2000+ dollars.

ThunderCactus · November 28th, 2007, 18:02

...Why would you need to change the spring in a game...?
Between games I can understand, CQB to outdoors, but for the same price as a PTW you could buy two guns anyway lol

LUTNIT · November 28th, 2007, 18:31

I was considering this for games at the LZ in Ottawa, when entering the CQB areas you're supposed to use a sidearm but I thought I could swap springs and it wouldn't really matter if the hopup was off a bit or even a lot since its CQB. Its just too much bother though and if you have to exit quickly you're screwed.

On another note I don't know what its like in your area but in Ottawa if you are caught swapping springs in the field (STAR guns, CA249, ICS, PTW, etc.) you are pretty screwed and assumed to be blatantly cheating. One thing I have heard people doing in the states (haven't heard of it in Canada yet) is people set the hopup and all that for their 550fps red M150 cylinder and pop in the 390fps blue M110 cylinder for chrony at game start then swap in the field.

Honestly, I bought the PTW for performance and reliability, not the quick swap spring feature. Is nice to have it though, turned my PTW from field gun at 390fps (blue M110 cylinder) to 340fps (black M90 cylinder) for the indoor game at the Mill this weekend in Quebec in 15 minutes (including hopup adjustment, cylinder swap can be done in under 10 seconds with practice.)

CDN_Stalker · November 28th, 2007, 18:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fox Hound

And also at times in the field i wish i had a variable spring inside so i could reach out and knock that person 150ft away.

I can reach out and knock off guys over 150ft away with my MP5 which is shooting 365fps. Maybe heavier ammo is what you should be looking at?

leblanc74 · November 28th, 2007, 18:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tankdude

Maybe a 2nd complete upper would be better.

Two pins and your done right?

Have a CQR with a M90 and a M16 upper with a M130.

Expensive.

I read that alot of people are just swapping the complete uppers, I am in the middle of this process....just waiting for parts here and there...

Fox Hound · November 28th, 2007, 20:04

can i swap the forward handguards for a CQBR rail system?

Ronan · November 28th, 2007, 20:12

With a Systema, people usualy swap the upper. THey will have different configuration (aka CQB, RIS, Sniper, etc).

So basically you have a PTW gun, with the CQB upper you stick the M90 in it. With a 'normal' upper and for example a Daniel Defense frontguard you can use the M110 to stay legal. If you want a sniper, you would block the PTW so it only shoots semi and stick a M130 in it with a 'sniper upper'. Get the picture?

CDN_Stalker · November 28th, 2007, 20:26

Ronan, the upper stays the same no matter what, it's the cylinder assembly that gets swapped out.

LUTNIT · November 28th, 2007, 21:22

If you pop the front pin you can remove the entire upper/front end and replace it. I was considering this as you can get a spare upper from ThePirate! for ~$200 I think it was and a barrel set, then snag a real steel free floating RIS off eBay and you have a fully functional second upper. I was going to make an SPR upper for my CQB-R but then Macgyver enlightened me to the fact that MAX generation M16 length rifles only have M4 length barrels. I am now considering an M4A1 with M203 though as my second upper if I can get the cash together though more than likely I will just build another AEG for that cost.

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November 28th, 2007, 17:12	#1
Fox Hound Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Bay / Stoney Creek	Systema PTW, in game spring swap? I've always pondered if the ptw would be a good purchase. Then i looked and said its pretty much all the same, but I always find myself modding the internals and spending quite some time and money invested in a particular gun. And also at times in the field i wish i had a variable spring inside so i could reach out and knock that person 150ft away. So i thought hey if i could do this in the field quickly under 5 seconds and have an optimum gun, then MAYBE the systema would be a fine buy. So really my question is for example I go into a game with the 400fps (dont know what colour yet) could i switch springs for further distant shots only, lets say the 500fps spring, and then replace it back with the 400fps spring for normal schrim? __________________

November 28th, 2007, 17:16	#2
Manchilada Trader rating Join Date: May 2006 Location: Toronto	Hop-up takes time to adjust and mosts fields in Canada won't let you shoot 500 fps. Swap is quick though (~10 seconds or so if the cylinders are handy). (sorry for all the editing... comp at work is fucking with me) __________________ Last edited by Manchilada; November 28th, 2007 at 17:25..

November 28th, 2007, 17:19	#4
Mantelope Scotty aka harleyb Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario	Again, the hopup is the biggest problem. It'll take at least a minute or two to set properly, and it's completely unfeasible to perform while in-game. __________________

November 28th, 2007, 17:21	#5
Tankdude Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Coast, New Brunswick	Maybe a 2nd complete upper would be better. Two pins and your done right? Have a CQR with a M90 and a M16 upper with a M130. Expensive.

November 28th, 2007, 17:39	#6
Fox Hound Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Bay / Stoney Creek	I guess that feature i was hoping it would have, would have me buying one... the guys on youtube do it so quickly i would think that it was done in like than 15 seconds lol. Well are there any other nifty things i might not know about this? __________________

November 28th, 2007, 17:53	#7
kmsakura Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Toronto, ontario	i think you can swap the hopup and the mechbox in an inokatsu aeg. though there not exactly portable or good for sniping. m60's are great though i wish i had 2000+ dollars.

November 28th, 2007, 18:02	#8
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	...Why would you need to change the spring in a game...? Between games I can understand, CQB to outdoors, but for the same price as a PTW you could buy two guns anyway lol

November 28th, 2007, 18:31	#9
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	I was considering this for games at the LZ in Ottawa, when entering the CQB areas you're supposed to use a sidearm but I thought I could swap springs and it wouldn't really matter if the hopup was off a bit or even a lot since its CQB. Its just too much bother though and if you have to exit quickly you're screwed. On another note I don't know what its like in your area but in Ottawa if you are caught swapping springs in the field (STAR guns, CA249, ICS, PTW, etc.) you are pretty screwed and assumed to be blatantly cheating. One thing I have heard people doing in the states (haven't heard of it in Canada yet) is people set the hopup and all that for their 550fps red M150 cylinder and pop in the 390fps blue M110 cylinder for chrony at game start then swap in the field. Honestly, I bought the PTW for performance and reliability, not the quick swap spring feature. Is nice to have it though, turned my PTW from field gun at 390fps (blue M110 cylinder) to 340fps (black M90 cylinder) for the indoor game at the Mill this weekend in Quebec in 15 minutes (including hopup adjustment, cylinder swap can be done in under 10 seconds with practice.)

November 28th, 2007, 20:04	#12
Fox Hound Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North Bay / Stoney Creek	can i swap the forward handguards for a CQBR rail system? __________________

November 28th, 2007, 20:26	#14
CDN_Stalker Official ASC Bladesmith Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Ottawa, Ont.	Ronan, the upper stays the same no matter what, it's the cylinder assembly that gets swapped out. __________________ STKR Knives http://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/STK...17036668380871

November 28th, 2007, 21:22	#15
LUTNIT Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ottawa	If you pop the front pin you can remove the entire upper/front end and replace it. I was considering this as you can get a spare upper from ThePirate! for ~$200 I think it was and a barrel set, then snag a real steel free floating RIS off eBay and you have a fully functional second upper. I was going to make an SPR upper for my CQB-R but then Macgyver enlightened me to the fact that MAX generation M16 length rifles only have M4 length barrels. I am now considering an M4A1 with M203 though as my second upper if I can get the cash together though more than likely I will just build another AEG for that cost.

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