Spring Guide too big?!

Spa · July 11th, 2007, 12:51

I think I have an old version of a CAG36C and the slits in the back where the spring guide goes works for the stock guide, but just recently I purchased a prometheus v3 spring guide and i believe that the wings at the back of the spring guide are to big to close the gearbox. The gearbox when i try to close it is about 1.5mm from complete closure.

So should I file the wings or file the slits a bit more open? Or use some completly different tool to fix this?

wKnight · July 11th, 2007, 13:26

dremel.

I had to do a minor modification on a spring guide i got a few months ago for my rental gun. worked like a charm.

the wings really dont even need to be there, they just assist you in getting the gun back together properly with the piston in its tracks.

Spa · July 11th, 2007, 13:31

yeah i was considering a dremel too:P thanks for the tips!

wKnight · July 11th, 2007, 13:32

But first make sure you are indeed getting it closed properly. If all the gears arent lined up with their holes it will cause a displacement like you talk about. never modify a part until you are sure it wont fit.

try assembling the mechbox with no spring. it makes it easy to get it together properly. if it closes then, you know the spring guide is fine. when you put the spring guide in place it should be obvious anyway if it fits properly or not.

Spa · July 11th, 2007, 19:44

yeah, i tested it before and all:P IT wont close even with the guide properly in place with all the guts eviscerated.

jtf2-phalanx · July 11th, 2007, 20:12

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the "wings" stop the spring guide from spinning or moving with the compression of the spring?

Spa · July 12th, 2007, 01:34

nah i dont think so jtf2 the spring needs to move around freely to avoid it coiling..

But on another note, i now ran into another problem with this damn spring guide. Now, when the piston is pulled back to the spring guide, the gearbox jams. Why? because the piston gets push up against the spring guide and stops not allowing the last tooth on the piston to pass, therefor jammnig it.

Should i file down the spring guide or file down the piston or just get a new spring guide thats not so huge. It seems ive been having nothing but problems with this spring guide..jesus. So what do you all you doctors think????????

wKnight · July 12th, 2007, 11:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtf2-phalanx

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the "wings" stop the spring guide from spinning or moving with the compression of the spring?

well it does, but the whole reason people are now putting barrings on spring guides and piston heads is because allowing the spring to move is much better for the health of the mechbox. Springs like to twist when they compress/decompress. if you don’t let them do that the forces are distributed into the mechbox shell.

The spring guide isnt gonna go anywhere even if you clip its wings. I wasnt recomending that as a solution so much as i was saying if you accidently take one off dont worry about it.

ThunderCactus · July 12th, 2007, 12:51

i bought a prometheus spring guide for a V2 gearbox and it had big square tabs, i think they had a big brain fart on the new spring guide designs, anyway i just filed mine round

Spa · July 13th, 2007, 00:11

so should i find a smaller spring guide? file the prom im using? file the piston? lol, so many choices.

ThunderCactus · July 13th, 2007, 15:08

buy a systema spring guide, they're always good

Spa · July 13th, 2007, 17:50

i acutally figured it out.

The stock CA spring (which we know have the rounded ends) was actually poping off the spring guide and preventing the piston from fully going to the back of the gearbox thus jamming it.

So, I put a spring in with a flattened bottom and what do you know:P No more spring slipping off the guide.

Let this be a lesson to all:P

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July 11th, 2007, 12:51	#1
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	Spring Guide too big?! I think I have an old version of a CAG36C and the slits in the back where the spring guide goes works for the stock guide, but just recently I purchased a prometheus v3 spring guide and i believe that the wings at the back of the spring guide are to big to close the gearbox. The gearbox when i try to close it is about 1.5mm from complete closure. So should I file the wings or file the slits a bit more open? Or use some completly different tool to fix this? Last edited by Spa; July 11th, 2007 at 13:30..

July 11th, 2007, 13:26	#2
wKnight Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Moncton, NB	dremel. I had to do a minor modification on a spring guide i got a few months ago for my rental gun. worked like a charm. the wings really dont even need to be there, they just assist you in getting the gun back together properly with the piston in its tracks. Last edited by wKnight; July 11th, 2007 at 13:32..

July 11th, 2007, 13:32	#4
wKnight Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Moncton, NB	But first make sure you are indeed getting it closed properly. If all the gears arent lined up with their holes it will cause a displacement like you talk about. never modify a part until you are sure it wont fit. try assembling the mechbox with no spring. it makes it easy to get it together properly. if it closes then, you know the spring guide is fine. when you put the spring guide in place it should be obvious anyway if it fits properly or not. Last edited by wKnight; July 11th, 2007 at 15:05..

July 11th, 2007, 13:31	#3
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	yeah i was considering a dremel too:P thanks for the tips!

July 11th, 2007, 19:44	#5
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	yeah, i tested it before and all:P IT wont close even with the guide properly in place with all the guts eviscerated.

July 11th, 2007, 20:12	#6
jtf2-phalanx Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Vancouver, BC	Correct me if I'm wrong but don't the "wings" stop the spring guide from spinning or moving with the compression of the spring? __________________ "Any punk can shoot from across the room but it takes a real man to get close enough to stab" "Why cause a huge disturbance when you just wanna kill ONE guy?" - Chris Rock

July 12th, 2007, 01:34	#7
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	nah i dont think so jtf2 the spring needs to move around freely to avoid it coiling.. But on another note, i now ran into another problem with this damn spring guide. Now, when the piston is pulled back to the spring guide, the gearbox jams. Why? because the piston gets push up against the spring guide and stops not allowing the last tooth on the piston to pass, therefor jammnig it. Should i file down the spring guide or file down the piston or just get a new spring guide thats not so huge. It seems ive been having nothing but problems with this spring guide..jesus. So what do you all you doctors think????????

July 12th, 2007, 12:51	#9
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	i bought a prometheus spring guide for a V2 gearbox and it had big square tabs, i think they had a big brain fart on the new spring guide designs, anyway i just filed mine round

July 13th, 2007, 00:11	#10
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	so should i find a smaller spring guide? file the prom im using? file the piston? lol, so many choices.

July 13th, 2007, 15:08	#11
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	buy a systema spring guide, they're always good

July 13th, 2007, 17:50	#12
Spa Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Winnipeg, Manitoba	i acutally figured it out. The stock CA spring (which we know have the rounded ends) was actually poping off the spring guide and preventing the piston from fully going to the back of the gearbox thus jamming it. So, I put a spring in with a flattened bottom and what do you know:P No more spring slipping off the guide. Let this be a lesson to all:P Upgraded parts require upgraded parts.

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