dmr vs sniper rifle

[Delta Charlie]

Hey guys I am stuck between choosing either a bolt action sniper rifle (the echo 1 m28 was what i had in mind) or an aeg (either the classic army or echo 1 m14). I play a lot of cqb but, in the summer I also play woodland. I want a gun that can be accurate out to 150 feet. I know the bolt action is fast, and possibly more reliable, it goes really fast, and is quite long and heavy for cqb. The aeg has full and semi but possibly not as accurate, and not as hot, (better for cqb) any help would be great thanks

[Drake]

The M28 will require upgrading to be accurate. It has potential but it needs a lot of work ($).

If its your first gun, get the AEG. Hands down.

And 150 feet is nothing.

[krap101]

Yes, having a semi/automatic gun should be your first, because it plays a much more flexible role, and allows you "accuracy through volume". Once you play a bit, and get a feel for the sport, you can then begin to specialize and find out what you like. I'm not telling you what you can/can't do, but rather what you should do.

Tuning a sniper rifle will take practice, money, and time, so it'd be best if you had something to fall back on (aeg).

I'm making a few assumptions here, but it sounds like you're a bit new..er...

[Kos-Mos]

M14 is a very good choice, but forget CA and ECHO1... you want a TM or a CYMA if you are tight on cash.

I managed to accurize my CYMA M14 SOCOM to hit a man-sized target at 200' consistently without shooting over 380fps.

[Reckless]

personally I perfer DMR .. aeg variety. and if you go the process of building it into a full on DMR .. semi only but lightening fast follow up shots (opposed to a higher build of an elec sniper rifle and far more restrictions)

150ft is nothing... a stock TM with a rubber, spacer, a little tweaking and some good .25's can do that...

DMR aeg... personally.. I'm aiming for 180ft minimum repeatable atleast torso shots... and under 400fps

[Delta Charlie]

Oh yeah sorry guys I forgot to tell you, I already have two m4 aegs (ones a g&g and one is an aftermath)

[Drake]

Originally Posted by Delta Charlie

Oh yeah sorry guys I forgot to tell you, I already have two m4 aegs (ones a g&g and one is an aftermath)

I can see why you would think you need a sniper rifle to reach out to 150 ft.

I suggest you ditch both junk guns and pool the money (along with whatever you were planning to put into this sniper rifle) to buy a good quality AEG instead.

[krap101]

Originally Posted by Drake

I can see why you would think you need a sniper rifle to reach out to 150 ft.

I suggest you ditch both junk guns and pool the money (along with whatever you were planning to put into this sniper rifle) to buy a good quality AEG instead.

Since when is G&G a junk gun.

[Drake]

Originally Posted by krap101

Since when is G&G a junk gun.

The regular G&G line is "okay" (they have issues and I'm not sure I'd rank them with the top tier brands), but point in case considering he bothered mentioning the Aftermath like it somehow mattered, I felt it was a safe bet to presume G&G in question from the lower end War Machine line or whatever it's called*.

Judging from his question(s), he's not getting any kind of accuracy at 150 feet -- which a decent AEG should be giving him. Buying even more second tier guns will still result in frustrations with range and accuracy. IMO he'd be better off with just one really good gun that'll put a big smile on his face every time.




*edit: yeah that would be Combat Machine, not War Machine :P

[krap101]

We have combat machines as loaner guns, and they aren't super duper great, but they're not as bad as you're making them. The *new* "regular" g&g line is quite a bit better than the competition at the same price level, and I've had nothing but fun and happy times with my f2000. I would likely take a G&G over most other brands, seeing how their customer service is amazing, perform very well out of box, and are not ridiculously priced.

[CJay]

krap just to elaborate - the G&G MAX range is a much better gun and since they only make the MAX version for import to canada in the F2002 its safe to assume thats what ya have there - comparable to a TM once u lower the stock spring imho although u pay way more for it (made in taiwan instead of china if u wanna know exactly why - better tolerances)

however the clearsoft g&g guns and the the advance standard line even are pretty shaky in terms of performance. I've seen some outstanding stock china G&G guns and some absolutely terrible ones - kinda 50/50 chance i guess with their lower end lines. either way why buy an advance when u can get a max for a decent price.

either way i completely digress.

what i usually advise ppl is try something like a standard unmodified m16 of a good brand to give you a feel for dmr - ur gonna have a decent range but the run and gun abillity as well. don't waste yer money on a stock sniper rifle as they are pretty much all just very limited and shoddily built. u need to put a good 800-1000 bucks worth of parts etc into a sniper to get a truly accurate and scary sniper rifle. besides sniper role is mainly recon which can be extremely boring and in airsoft is largely unnecessary. its important to remember the role of the weapon as well as the potential for long range kills. U may not be doing what u wanna be doing with a sniper lol

[krap101]

Sorry, I've been under the assumption that canadian guns differ from those in the US purely in cosmetics and price. It seems that I was wrong.

G&G has arguably the best plastic out there (glass reinforced nylon I believe, what some call "polymer" which is terrible use of the term to differentiate it from ABS or polycarb) and is much stronger than potmetal, and maybe up there with certain cuts of aluminum.

For quality, I had a recent exposure to the G&G customer service. In the year or so I've had the gun, they have fixed every single problem that I brought up, and are also are looking into the o-ring compression issue. From this experience, it seems that the CS dept. and the R&D dept. are very closely connected, as a company like.. say... Ares, I doubt would have the same response or response time (second hand experience). ("issues" brought up were lack of a metal cylinder head SOLVED, magazine incompatibility due to gearbox bolt SOLVED, weak buttplate SOLVED, cutoff lever getting caught SOLVED, and I think that was everything. The solved is in caps to stand out, not because I'm yelling or making a point by point, but am just outlining my experience.

My experience with my G2010 (F2000): Takedown of this gun was excellent and well thought out. Removal of the upper receiver is accomplished using only one "pin" and the upper slides off (is snug through, so no wobble). To remove the gearbox, you loosen 4 bolts in the back, remove two screws and a plate, and you can pull it out. The battery compartment can fit a Cheetah-2N mosfet in a little slot underneath and a mini 9.6, although I'm running a 1000ma 11.1 lipo currently. The spring guide is removable which helps with reassembly, and also gives the ability to change fps on the fly, without disassembling the gearbox or changing the spring. The gears came perfectly shimmed, and stock components were of good quality, but I have since changed most of the stock parts. The hopup is good, and keeps its setting well (o-ring), and the access panel in the back is pretty easy to change (without gloves). As I said before, the quality of the shell is excellent, no creaks, the rail is all metal and runs along the entire length. I believe I hit the key points with the F2000...

With the combat machines, we have two of them as loaners, and we are keeping them stock until they break. They are very reliable, and shoot pretty consistently for how much we paid for them. Slight mag wobble, but this should be expected in this price range. The plastic in the combat machines are similar to that in the F2000, and pretty solid. Overall my team is very satisfied with the guns, although I haven't shot one yet.

By now I have realized the error in my ways, but this has been my experience with G&G: overwhelmingly positive, and sort of got defensive when they were called "junk". I'm maybe half way to the level of "KWA fanboys", and haven't found any problem that hasn't been fixed. I realize that my experience has been based off of one G&G gun, and opinions of my friends on the combat machines, but I have never heard anything so negative for G&G besides stock compression for the o-ring. Wow that was long...

[Delta Charlie]

Okay okay,so maybe my aeg's aren't the greatest ( however I love the g&g) what is the conclusion for my next gun then?

[Adamlxlx]

G&G MAX is just the high quality g&g line with an upped spring. Know this for FACT. G&G makes AMAZING product now. Not so much is the past. I own a g&g scar l and g&g mp5a4. Both great guns!

[Delta Charlie]

Oh, and one other question, is the ca m14 scout really worth the extra 100$ over the echo1 socom 16??