Cont'd from Airsoft & Law Thread

[arcanuck]

That is not good for these sports.

[burningashes]

Originally Posted by Daiviet

YouTube - Global National - Airsoft in Toronto at TTAC3

good video. Are any of the guys participating in the video on airsoft canada?

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by arcanuck

That is not good for these sports.

It's a consistent reality for the last 10 years. We got to where we are despite of it.

Originally Posted by burningashes

good video. Are any of the guys participating in the video on airsoft canada?

Almost all of them, if not all of them.

[megaman]

isn't there sticky's on this topic?

in the last year that ive been playing ive seen this topic come up in so many different forms that its really starting to get irritating.

i think cpt.flan and burningashes summed it up very well!

this is just the way the sport is in canada,its going to take a long time for it to become accepted publicly if it ever does get that far.


thanks
mike

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[The Saint]

Yes Megaman, there is a sticky on this.

The intent was this particular thread was to discuss airsoft charity. I suggest people focus on that.

[GovernmentGrant]

So we're doing what now?

[Ronan]

What i don't understand is why no one simply makes AEG the same as real guns (in legal terms). So that AEG = RS = Need PAL/RPAL. Is the Canadian government really that busy or to scared of soccer moms? Airsofters still pay their taxes don't they?...

[mcguyver]

I have much more freedom with my PTW than I will ever have with my Bushmaster.

And then what happens when the U.S. goes after another AWB, how can us civilized and responsible Canadians ever allow the Americans to have tougher gun laws than us? Guess what happens next.

[Donster]

It is possible to turn airsoft into maintstream through a grassroots approach. Im talking about building a field and rent out the 007airsoft clear style guns to kids with the whole signed waiver etc etc etc. I guess from there you can move on to legitimizing the whole NON-clear receiver issue. perhaps im just whistling dixie but to me, if we want this sport to become more positively known to the public, then having a legitimate place of business with Canada legal guns is the best way. CAPS, which was mentioned before, is also such a way of putting a positive light on this hobby

[Donster]

Originally Posted by Ronan

What i don't understand is why no one simply makes AEG the same as real guns (in legal terms). So that AEG = RS = Need PAL/RPAL. Is the Canadian government really that busy or to scared of soccer moms? Airsofters still pay their taxes don't they?...

i asked the same question. the thing is, if that were the case, then it would have to follow the no auto, (possibly) 5 rounds of ammo/mag rule. Now it gets tricky cause with .22, you can have as many bullets as the mag can carry. And since airsoft is the same diameter as a .22 and fires considerably slower than a .22, i personally dont see the problem either. Still, the ultimate solution would be to create a whole new form of licensing for airsoft, such as an AAL (Airsoft Acquisition License) that is dedicated solely to the acquiring of airsoft guns, from registering them to the government etc etc. the problem with this idea, and even the previous one, is that to change or to create such legislature would cost a lot of money and strain on the system, to a point where (to them) it isn't worth it. Now if there was a sizeable tax return on it (i.e.: the amount of money they would receive from taxing the purchase of airsoft guns), then the government would probably enact it, but until that is proven, airsoft will remain the shady form of gray that it is. i hope that helped clarify any issues as that is my understand to date. if anyone would like to add to mine or (most likely) correct it, please do so!

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Ronan

What i don't understand is why no one simply makes AEG the same as real guns (in legal terms). So that AEG = RS = Need PAL/RPAL. Is the Canadian government really that busy or to scared of soccer moms? Airsofters still pay their taxes don't they?...

Because the issue of replica firearm didn't face the user-based challenges it does now back in 1995. Law makers then didn't have any reason to cover airsoft guns, because there weren't that many in Canada back then. So they setup a legal situation where they now cannot require PAL/RPAL for replica firearm unless they open up the Criminal Code and probably the Firearms Act. Big can of worms there.

And really, even if they did want to execute a PAL/RPAL scheme for replica firearm, it'd be somewhat a ridiculously overkill of a solution for both sides.

Not having airsoft PAL/RPAL has nothing to do with soccer moms or taxes. Honestly, people are too quick to resort to soccer moms as explanations.