Whats worse JG or CYMA

[mateba]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Lesser of 2 evils or compared to other brands? I don't think too highly of either of them, and barely find Marui passible, so.......

COME ON!

Do you want to be the "I got a PTW guy"? Marui, really?

I would still consider both of their AEGs just shells for a potentially great gun. Full metal is great but all you need to do is drop a systema full MB and your set. Granted its a ver2. Hell, have any of you heard of the a Unicorn? I bought one. For the body, but its nice that I play with it for a while.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by mateba

COME ON!

Do you want to be the "I got a PTW guy"?

And just who are you exactly? I started playing when Marui was the low-end, moved to ICS, then to G&P and Classic Army, then to Systema. Now, low end is the crap of the airsoft world, and people are going crazy for a $99 U.S. gun?

Sorry, bubba. Play that game if you want. And anybody who's serious about playing airsoft doesn't play that game either. Maybe I'm a little old-school and believe that if you want quality, you pay for it. And if it isn't worth the committment, take up beer-league bowling instead.

[mateba]

whoa there killer, no need to get upset.

All I'm saying is, "Seriously, you're gonna dog TM for their QC?" Why?

If I had the money to throw at Systema, I might. But just because I have not, it dose not mean I'm not serious about airsoft.

[mcguyver]

Because Marui is like getting a base Ford truck. How long is it before you are into rims, engine mods, exhaust, paint, audio system, and on, and on, and on.

When you buy the truck for $20,000 new, then dump another $40-50K into it, you could've bought the Navigator, for the same money and had a much nicer vehicle.

This is where all this cheap shit is. You buy it, it works OK, but your planning your upgrades and spending money on it before Canada Post has brought it to your door. Marui is at least pretty reliable and a decent performer, others are better yet on both fronts.

And BTW, I saw these guns long before they became mainstream, like 3+ years ago. Nothing, absolutely nothing, impressed me at all about them then or now, and that was when they used to sell for $149-$199, not the $250+ they sell for now.

I don't buy used guns as a general rule, unless I personally know the gun and the owner. All my guns worked perfectly out of the box, every one. Only 2 out of 30+ ever failed on me. I demand alot of reliability and performance out of a gun and having "quirks" or performance issues, or required upgrades is beyond ridiculous.

Come on, guys. Invest in a little quality. It wasn't so long ago that threads like this would have been unceremoniously trashed, and this is exaclty where it belongs.

[Bob the Angry Potato]

I wish I had the money to spend on a Systema, but nomatter how bad the Airsoft addiction gets, I can't justify myself spending that much on a gun.
Some local guys are getting them, and I can't wait to see and try them- but I'm a Marui guy. It'll work, and you can upgrade it- and at least with the one I have, the parts that are supposed to be metal ARE metal (AUG, already been upgraded to a decent 360 FPS).
Beggars can't be choosers.
But still, by all means, go for it. Marui isn't even nearly the lowest you can go, in my opinion, they definitely hold their own.
Don't take this as bashing PTWs. It's just my opinion, with my income I can't get them- but others that have the money available can, if it means a lot to them. It blows any other gun out of the water, definitely, but for the price tag I can't see myself or most players I know getting one anytime soon.
Marui'll never fail you. I'm on my second, and have never seen a stock one fail (just don't fuck with them- this has been demonstrated time and time again). They're reasonably cheap compared to the up-to-$3000 alternatives, and they're quite reliable and accurate stock. I see no reason to get something better, if you're just starting out.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Because Marui is like getting a base Ford truck. How long is it before you are into rims, engine mods, exhaust, paint, audio system, and on, and on, and on.

Lol, Ford is more like CYMA. Marui is like Honda or Toyota.

[mcguyver]

Yes a PTW is all fine and dandy, but they aren't for the masses and never were. They are the pinnacle of airsoft design and performance, that much is obvious. But the point of this thread is at the other end of the spectrum.

How low can you or should reasonably go?

This forum and airsoft in Canada has a long tradition of Marui at the bottom, with room to work up. Now, we aspire to get to that level? It's like aspiring to build a house that's is up to the building code, not that it's the minimum required by law mind you.

This whole discussion reminds me of a 'Mad TV" skit called "Lowered Expectations" about neurotic geeks looking for anyone to date, psychopath, unwashed pig farmer, anyone.

I hope this is not the future of airsoft. Every kid with $250 gun and no-name BBs.

[mateba]

I'm not going to argue, there is a big difference in brands. TM's performance is lacking, IMO, but if you expect reliability I don't think you can ask for much more.

2 years of play without any issue is awesome for an AEG.

Essentially you are comparing a $250US gun to a $1500US (invest a little?) and complaining about its differences. If you where in his shoes would your advice, "buy a PTW", be helpful?

I dont want to thread-jack so if you want to PM or start a new thread I'd be glad to continue there.

Have a good night and no hard feelings,
mateba

[Bob the Angry Potato]

Indeed.
I've heard many great things about JG guns, but I'm not one to talk until I handle one myself. One of the locals is (perhaps, it's been planned for a while) investing in a G36C fairly soon, so we'll be able to see firsthand.
Still, I won't stop recommending Marui to the poor starter- despite other guns being tried-and-true, and you can modify them however you wish. There's enough resale value to kickstart you to another higher-level gun, if you'd like.
However, I'd like to say a quick story before this goes off topic- this can be taken as a lame Marui promo by some, but whatever.

-SWAT- and I were adjusting our Hopup, and my stock Marui FA-MAS reached the same range as his $1000 Redwolf Custom SPR. While it didn't have the velocity, it was pretty damn accurate for its size, and he shat bricks and cursed at it.

Either way, TM's what I'm going to stay at. The CA AUG isn't that much better, especially with the upgrades and such that're in mine already, it's even more accurate and versatile then a stock CA itself (for $200 less, even with upgrades).

[mcguyver]

I've sold Marui guns to guys locally years ago that have many more rounds than the 60,000 listed (at that time) in the Marui owners manual as the design limit of the gun. No upgrades. No repairs.

And they still use them.

I think that is far more important that 30 FPS in extra velocity.

And no. A PTW is a PTW. A Ferrari is not a Kia. There are different levels to everything in life, and things are not just "that's overpriced, mine's good enough". You get what you pay for in life, always. No cheap deals, no free lunches.

[arman]

Originally Posted by matt491

In Soviet Russia, research looks up you!

hahaha...haha

[Tripbar]

CYMA is the worst airsoft brand you want. In America here they even try to get rid of other airsoft companies. Jing Gong is way better then Cyma