Guarder internals

Burger · July 24th, 2013, 01:49

Guarder internals, are they good, bad, pretty, ugly? I haven't really heard many people talking about them and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing?

Any reviews, input, ideas or comments would help. I'm planning on turning my Lonex M4 into a DMR and Guarder internals are easily available(They're at my local store) but I haven't heard anyone talk about them.

You can talk about any of the internals: The springs, TBB's, Motors, etc.

L473ncy · July 24th, 2013, 02:53

I use Guarder stuff because it was easily available and somewhat reasonably priced. I'd say with the Lonex it's probably better to keep it as it is. BTW although I do have a Guarder 6.02 tightbore I would recommend if it's easily available to get something like a Prometheus 6.03 even though it's a lot more. Even though it's an upgrade (compared to my stock 6.08) I'm somewhat happy with it but I know there's better out there, plus the 6.02 is very tight and you could jam (also, for accuracy according to someone I was talking to 6.03 was better than 6.01 and the 6.01 is only to get a tight seal so you can get higher FPS, but then again you could just as easily do a spring change to get the same effect).

BTW if you need a 20" M4 Outer barrel for your DMR project I've got one, check the classifieds for my thread for more info.

JerryMcGoulBerry · July 24th, 2013, 03:21

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Originally Posted by L473ncy

I use Guarder stuff because it was easily available and somewhat reasonably priced. I'd say with the Lonex it's probably better to keep it as it is. BTW although I do have a Guarder 6.02 tightbore I would recommend if it's easily available to get something like a Prometheus 6.03 even though it's a lot more. Even though it's an upgrade (compared to my stock 6.08) I'm somewhat happy with it but I know there's better out there, plus the 6.02 is very tight and you could jam (also, for accuracy according to someone I was talking to 6.03 was better than 6.01 and the 6.01 is only to get a tight seal so you can get higher FPS, but then again you could just as easily do a spring change to get the same effect).

BTW if you need a 20" M4 Outer barrel for your DMR project I've got one, check the classifieds for my thread for more info.

My experience with Lonex hasn't been that great. I bought the drop in gearbox and the plastic teeth of the piston stripped after a couple test shots. Before that my friend had some Lonex gears strip after 50 shots with perfect shimming. I do like there barrels a lot. I'm awaiting an A1 motor and I'm curious to see how it lasts.

Burger · July 24th, 2013, 03:32

Were talking about guarder, not lonex. Side note my fpS dropped from 390 new to 365-3y
70...is that normal?

666 · July 24th, 2013, 04:21

I have Guarder FTK in my RPK since about 05-06. Still running. FPS dropped some but otherwise all parts were still fine last time I cleaned the box.
P.S I remember doing some very minor filing of the mechbox shell before it closed properly. It's a TM shell.

ThunderCactus · July 24th, 2013, 09:50

They're decent enough, I don't trust their piston and piston head though. And I've heard nothing but problems with their gears, but that's hearsay from 6 years ago...
Also AOE needs to be corrected when using their double O-ring cylinder head otherwise you're pretty well guaranteed to strip the piston.
All around guarder as a company has never been particularly good at making airsoft parts, they've always just been okay, 4/10

lurkingknight · July 24th, 2013, 10:18

I had a guarder PH fracture after an unknown number of shots... came to me used. I put in about 8k rounds on it.

Their springs aren't bad, but I also had one drop from 405 to 350.

I have a guarder infinite torque up motor as well... it seems to be a reasonable motor... not worth the price with shs and lonex motors being cheaper, especially since at the price the guarder motor is at, it's still only a ferrous motor.

I have not had a set of shs gears strip on me yet, though I think I lucked out with good bevels on both sets I have.

lonex gears are known to be on the soft side.

ThunderCactus · July 24th, 2013, 11:03

Oh right, their springs are notorious for being packaged incorrectly. Was a huge thing back in the day, guarder never sent you the right spring.
It's like they have all their springs land in one big bin and the only method used for sorting is testing them by hand lol

KenTsui · July 24th, 2013, 13:43

Wow, I'm surprised to hear so many bad things about Guarder. I've been using their enhancement kit in all my guns for 3 years now, but I guess only time would tell.

It's true that they need AoE adjustments. Somewhere between 3/16" to 1/4" including neoprene pad.

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July 24th, 2013, 01:49	#1
Burger Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Vancouver	Guarder internals Guarder internals, are they good, bad, pretty, ugly? I haven't really heard many people talking about them and I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing? Any reviews, input, ideas or comments would help. I'm planning on turning my Lonex M4 into a DMR and Guarder internals are easily available(They're at my local store) but I haven't heard anyone talk about them. You can talk about any of the internals: The springs, TBB's, Motors, etc.

July 24th, 2013, 02:53	#2
L473ncy Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: 11-30-24-1W5	I use Guarder stuff because it was easily available and somewhat reasonably priced. I'd say with the Lonex it's probably better to keep it as it is. BTW although I do have a Guarder 6.02 tightbore I would recommend if it's easily available to get something like a Prometheus 6.03 even though it's a lot more. Even though it's an upgrade (compared to my stock 6.08) I'm somewhat happy with it but I know there's better out there, plus the 6.02 is very tight and you could jam (also, for accuracy according to someone I was talking to 6.03 was better than 6.01 and the 6.01 is only to get a tight seal so you can get higher FPS, but then again you could just as easily do a spring change to get the same effect). BTW if you need a 20" M4 Outer barrel for your DMR project I've got one, check the classifieds for my thread for more info. __________________ ಠ_ಠLess QQ more Pew Pew READY TO >> RACE Last edited by L473ncy; July 24th, 2013 at 02:56..

July 24th, 2013, 04:21	#5
666 Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario	I have Guarder FTK in my RPK since about 05-06. Still running. FPS dropped some but otherwise all parts were still fine last time I cleaned the box. P.S I remember doing some very minor filing of the mechbox shell before it closed properly. It's a TM shell. __________________ Op Woodsman. Biggest WW2 event in Ontario. Last edited by 666; July 24th, 2013 at 04:24..

July 24th, 2013, 03:32	#4
Burger Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Vancouver	Were talking about guarder, not lonex. Side note my fpS dropped from 390 new to 365-3y 70...is that normal?

July 24th, 2013, 09:50	#6
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	They're decent enough, I don't trust their piston and piston head though. And I've heard nothing but problems with their gears, but that's hearsay from 6 years ago... Also AOE needs to be corrected when using their double O-ring cylinder head otherwise you're pretty well guaranteed to strip the piston. All around guarder as a company has never been particularly good at making airsoft parts, they've always just been okay, 4/10

July 24th, 2013, 10:18	#7
lurkingknight "bb bukakke" KING! Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Ottawa	I had a guarder PH fracture after an unknown number of shots... came to me used. I put in about 8k rounds on it. Their springs aren't bad, but I also had one drop from 405 to 350. I have a guarder infinite torque up motor as well... it seems to be a reasonable motor... not worth the price with shs and lonex motors being cheaper, especially since at the price the guarder motor is at, it's still only a ferrous motor. I have not had a set of shs gears strip on me yet, though I think I lucked out with good bevels on both sets I have. lonex gears are known to be on the soft side. __________________ I futz with V2s, V3s and V6s. I could be wrong... but probably, most likely not, as far as I know.

July 24th, 2013, 11:03	#8
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Oh right, their springs are notorious for being packaged incorrectly. Was a huge thing back in the day, guarder never sent you the right spring. It's like they have all their springs land in one big bin and the only method used for sorting is testing them by hand lol

July 24th, 2013, 13:43	#9
KenTsui Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2011	Wow, I'm surprised to hear so many bad things about Guarder. I've been using their enhancement kit in all my guns for 3 years now, but I guess only time would tell. It's true that they need AoE adjustments. Somewhere between 3/16" to 1/4" including neoprene pad.

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