Speaking of "Bullpup"...

IUsedToBeShodansOwn · June 19th, 2005, 02:10

Is this correct? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...wn/bullpup.jpg

heres the html...I dont know if these forums allow html, but here it is, just in case:

....or UBB, it would seem...

Greylocks · June 19th, 2005, 08:51

Basically correct, althought I'd have to see the internals of a real P90 to confirm.
The guy you argued with in the other thread is an idiot.

Ghost Snake · June 19th, 2005, 09:52

His explanation is correct. But in each case, he drew the barrel lengths too long. Barrels start in front of the mag. How can a cartridge load if the barrel extends 5 inches behind the mag?

Greylocks · June 19th, 2005, 11:00

He included the chamber and action into the lenght of the barrel. No biggie. Still a decent drawing to explain the concept.

IUsedToBeShodansOwn · June 19th, 2005, 14:40

"he" being "me"
I made this to explain to someone, and I just wanted to make sure that I had the right idea...and yeah, after looking it over again, I realize that the barrel lengths are too long. btw, for the P90, the mag is on the top of the gun...you can see where the back of it is...using that for reference, you can make a pretty good judgement on barrel length (again, I drew it too long, but still...).

Greylocks · June 19th, 2005, 21:55

I must say that there are a few things I dont like about he P90, but most of those are personal preference.
I find the gun awkward, the hicap mags deeply suck, and I dont like the small battery.

Otherwise, mechanically, it appears to be just fine.

IUsedToBeShodansOwn · June 19th, 2005, 22:14

Well, I expect to eventually do up some sort of other battery, I dont plan on EVER using hi-cap mags, and I think overall its cool as fuck. as you said, personal preference.

Mantelope · June 19th, 2005, 23:09

P90 battery options are pretty much either mini, J-style (which I'm selling right now, search for it) or a stock extension for an AUG-style battery. If you want to stick to minis, I would STRONGLY recommend an Eagle Force motor. You'll notice a big increase in ROF and the strength of spring you'll be able to pull.

Drake · June 19th, 2005, 23:45

I don't really like the "wasted space" working, specially with a pic of the PSG-1 up; the adjustable buttstock is very utilitarian. What i heard from an Aussie regarding the AUG was that not everyone particularly liked having their face millimeters from the ejection port, either.

IUsedToBeShodansOwn · June 20th, 2005, 00:36

well, the "wasted space" was just an illustration of the point of bullpups. sure, maybe for the PSG-1, that is necessary, but the point was just to show how that space has a SPECIFIC, mechanical purpose in bullpups.

Drake · June 20th, 2005, 00:38

In ARs it houses the recoil buffer tube

</devil's advocate>

IUsedToBeShodansOwn · June 20th, 2005, 04:01

*sigh*

airsoftpress · June 22nd, 2005, 13:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by harleyb

P90 battery options are pretty much either mini, J-style (which I'm selling right now, search for it) or a stock extension for an AUG-style battery. If you want to stick to minis, I would STRONGLY recommend an Eagle Force motor. You'll notice a big increase in ROF and the strength of spring you'll be able to pull.

Has anyone tried the Eagle Force motor? How does it perform comparing to the Systema motors?

Chrios · June 26th, 2005, 16:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake

What i heard from an Aussie regarding the AUG was that not everyone particularly liked having their face millimeters from the ejection port, either.

ive heard the same complaint about the famas, too. when we had one at the range for foreign weapon training, it didnt feel very solid at all. the shell ejection port cover (on this one at least) wasnt hard to pop off either, which meant hot brass would fly up, instead of to the left or right.

i didnt fire it though, so i cant comment further than that.

lamlok · June 28th, 2005, 05:28

Has anyone tried the Eagle Force motor? How does it perform comparing to the Systema motors?[/QUOTE]

The eagle force is a good alternative to systema motor, as long as you are not using M140+ springs or you want to have ROF 30+/sec. compare with eg1000, it eats up less energy and spins faster.
The systema is really fast and high torque, but also very "hungry" for electricity. I would only recommand to use systema motors if you use 2400mah 10.8V large battery.

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June 19th, 2005, 02:10	#1
IUsedToBeShodansOwn Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC	Speaking of "Bullpup"... Is this correct? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...wn/bullpup.jpg heres the html...I dont know if these forums allow html, but here it is, just in case: ....or UBB, it would seem...

June 19th, 2005, 09:52	#3
Ghost Snake Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Edmonton	His explanation is correct. But in each case, he drew the barrel lengths too long. Barrels start in front of the mag. How can a cartridge load if the barrel extends 5 inches behind the mag? __________________

June 19th, 2005, 23:09	#8
Mantelope Scotty aka harleyb Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Toronto, Ontario	P90 battery options are pretty much either mini, J-style (which I'm selling right now, search for it) or a stock extension for an AUG-style battery. If you want to stick to minis, I would STRONGLY recommend an Eagle Force motor. You'll notice a big increase in ROF and the strength of spring you'll be able to pull. __________________

June 19th, 2005, 08:51	#2
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	Basically correct, althought I'd have to see the internals of a real P90 to confirm. The guy you argued with in the other thread is an idiot.

June 19th, 2005, 11:00	#4
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	He included the chamber and action into the lenght of the barrel. No biggie. Still a decent drawing to explain the concept.

June 19th, 2005, 14:40	#5
IUsedToBeShodansOwn Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC	"he" being "me" I made this to explain to someone, and I just wanted to make sure that I had the right idea...and yeah, after looking it over again, I realize that the barrel lengths are too long. btw, for the P90, the mag is on the top of the gun...you can see where the back of it is...using that for reference, you can make a pretty good judgement on barrel length (again, I drew it too long, but still...).

June 19th, 2005, 21:55	#6
Greylocks Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Gatineau, Quebec (Near Ottawa)	I must say that there are a few things I dont like about he P90, but most of those are personal preference. I find the gun awkward, the hicap mags deeply suck, and I dont like the small battery. Otherwise, mechanically, it appears to be just fine.

June 19th, 2005, 22:14	#7
IUsedToBeShodansOwn Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC	Well, I expect to eventually do up some sort of other battery, I dont plan on EVER using hi-cap mags, and I think overall its cool as fuck. as you said, personal preference.

June 19th, 2005, 23:45	#9
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	I don't really like the "wasted space" working, specially with a pic of the PSG-1 up; the adjustable buttstock is very utilitarian. What i heard from an Aussie regarding the AUG was that not everyone particularly liked having their face millimeters from the ejection port, either. __________________

June 20th, 2005, 00:36	#10
IUsedToBeShodansOwn Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC	well, the "wasted space" was just an illustration of the point of bullpups. sure, maybe for the PSG-1, that is necessary, but the point was just to show how that space has a SPECIFIC, mechanical purpose in bullpups.

June 20th, 2005, 00:38	#11
Drake E-01 Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Montreal, QC	In ARs it houses the recoil buffer tube </devil's advocate> __________________

June 20th, 2005, 04:01	#12
IUsedToBeShodansOwn Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Vancouver, BC	sigh

June 28th, 2005, 05:28	#15
lamlok Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: HK	Has anyone tried the Eagle Force motor? How does it perform comparing to the Systema motors?[/QUOTE] The eagle force is a good alternative to systema motor, as long as you are not using M140+ springs or you want to have ROF 30+/sec. compare with eg1000, it eats up less energy and spins faster. The systema is really fast and high torque, but also very "hungry" for electricity. I would only recommand to use systema motors if you use 2400mah 10.8V large battery.

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