ARES M3 Grease Gun

[Styrak]

Looks neat, steel body. But it's also completely retarded and useless because the battery is IN THE MAG (65 rounds, by the way). So if you get one I guess you'll need to invest a lot in mini batteries...

YouTube - Redwolf Airsoft - ARES M3A1

[Danke]

Maybe those WWII folks take a more relaxed attitude to reloading?

There goes my cheap Delta Force plan.

[Boyso]

Originally Posted by Styrak

Looks neat, steel body. But it's also completely retarded and useless because the battery is IN THE MAG (65 rounds, by the way). So if you get one I guess you'll need to invest a lot in mini batteries...

YouTube - Redwolf Airsoft - ARES M3A1

Old news.

ICS is coming out with one too.

And in the Ares, there is enough room for a small Lipo, so the batt in the mag is for NIHM/NICD people.

[Forever_kaos]

Originally Posted by Danke

Maybe those WWII folks take a more relaxed attitude to reloading?

There goes my cheap Delta Force plan.

Some of us maybe
I'm sure there's some way to mod it up to change the battery situation, with enough determination.

[shiftsup]

I have an Ares M3A1. It's a very solid AEG. The battery in the mag doesn't bother me much. I ordered 4 mags for it the other day. I have a collection of stick batteries and Lipos to fill the 5 mags. No big deal.

Also, calling the M3A1 a WW2 gun is a wee bit misleading as it was issued in Europe after the war during the occupation period.

[Boyso]

M3 then :P

[EagleDriver]

Originally Posted by shiftsup

Also, calling the M3A1 a WW2 gun is a wee bit misleading as it was issued in Europe after the war during the occupation period.

The M3A1 was produced starting in December 1944 was issued in the European and Pacific theaters before the end of WW2. The German surrender was in July 1945 and the Japanese surrender wasn't until August 1945.

[shiftsup]

Originally Posted by EagleDriver

The M3A1 was produced starting in December 1944 was issued in the European and Pacific theaters before the end of WW2. The German surrender was in July 1945 and the Japanese surrender wasn't until August 1945.

Yeah it was issued; but to whom?

It wasn't involved in any action in the MTO, ETO or PTO.

And Germany surrendered in May 1945.

There are hundreds of period pics of GI's with Grease Guns; all the way from Operation Torch to Operation Varsity. None of those pics show a GI with a M3A1; they are all M3's or M3's with the cocking handle removed. If you can find a period pic with a GI holding a M3A1 I'd love to see it.

It is a fallacy that the M3A1 saw action in WW2; no different than bayonet lugs on M1 Carbines in 1944.

But would I take my M3A1 to a ww2 airsoft game? Yeah

I hope WE goes through with their Grease Gun GBB. Hopefully they'll have the conical flash hider. That should make it louder.

[EagleDriver]

The M3A1 was issued to vehicle, tank, and artillery crews in both theaters from December 1944 up to and beyond the end of the war. It was not a front line weapon and was not intended to be.

You crack me up with "I need to see a pic on the interwebz or it didn't happen".

[shiftsup]

Never said anything about pics on the internet.

Believe what you want.

Edit:

Originally Posted by EagleDriver

The M3A1 was issued to vehicle, tank, and artillery crews in both theaters from December 1944 up to and beyond the end of the war. It was not a front line weapon and was not intended to be.

You crack me up with "I need to see a pic on the interwebz or it didn't happen".

I re-read your post and there is really no need for the condescending remarks. While the argument over a the wartime usage of a 65 year old SMG is exceptionally silly it still beats watching the Oscars.

I really don't know where you get your information from.

The M3A1 had a significantly smaller production run than the M3; something around a 1:20 ratio. It is not hard to believe that these never made there way into any active WW2 Theatre Of Operations. I am not saying that M3A1's didn't make it to England or a port in Antwerp or somewhere along the supply chain the the Pacific; but that's entirely different from being inside a tank before the Axis surrendered.

Don't you think the complete lack of any wartime period pics, lack of a wartime M3A1 SMG Field Manual and the lack of a wartime Ordnance Technical Manual would be enough evidence that the M3A1 wasn't a WW2 SMG?

I suppose that the Springfield Museum and collector / historian extraordinaire Henri Enjames are wrong too.

http://ww2.rediscov.com/spring/VFPCG...ABASE=objects,

"The M3A1 did not go into production until late in the war; few, if any, reached troops in the field." - Johnson & Lockhoven.INTERNATIONAL ARMAMENT. Vol. II. International Small Arms Publishers. Cologne, Germany. 1965.




But again, believe what you want.