Question about Gas vs Electric

Sdens63 · January 2nd, 2011, 19:04

Hi, I'd just like to know your opinions on Gas rifles and Electric rifles. I've heard that Electric have higher mag caps, but make a lot of noise, while Gas rifles are more realistic, make less noise, but can't be used in the cold and need to be cleaned often.

I'd just like to know the major differences and the pros and cons of either system, as I'm buying a new rifle soon and I'd like to know which kind to purchase.

BGrail25 · January 2nd, 2011, 20:15

A lot of people say get an AEG first. They're easier to work with if you're starting out.

fi3re · January 2nd, 2011, 20:24

dont get a gas rifle as your first gun. Each gas system is different so finding spare parts will be very tough. mags are also 50 bucks each as opposed to 10 for AEG's.

Failure rates are similar between the two types but if something goes wrong with a V2 or V3 mechbox anyone can teach you how to fix it, and where you can buy parts.

Ballcancer · January 2nd, 2011, 21:19

I would agree to definitely get an AEG first they can be used year round and if you get yourself a decent one (ie. Kwa, classics army, Tokyo marui) they will last you quite a while and are pretty much maintenance free ( aside from general cleaning and what not) thought they do allow for a higher mag count I don't really like the sewing machine noise that comes from them. And for the most part they are more consists than gas rifles. Now gas on the other hand is fun as hell. They are obviously more realistic than AEGs. But they do take for the most part, initial upgrades to be considered gameable (exception the kjw/tk m4 ). They also require regular maintenance and cleaning. I thoroughly clean and lube my gbbr after every game and do maintenance teardowns once a month or more if required. Finally you have to consider that each mag holds the same amount of bb's as a real steal rifle --30-- trust me this is plenty I run 7 mags total when I game mine. Gbbrs force you to actually use your sights (iron or optics) when engaging targets as you have recoil to deal with now (not as much as a real steal but enough it needs to be considered). This further increases the realism. Also reloading takes a little longer as it's more than just changing mags (exception tactical reload). Gbbrs suffer from massive cool down, meaning they don't like cooler weather and basically are useless in temps of +10 and below ( again exception the kjw m4) in terms of spare parts there are tones of aftermarket parts for both the WE and WA/G&P WOC style gbbrs just need to know where to look. All I all both come down to personal preference. If you are going to go for the gas route prepare to do a lot of reading and research so that you can get your gun running smoothly and consistantly . AEGs are basically pull out the box and go play.

Enjoy!

Sdens63 · January 2nd, 2011, 22:07

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Originally Posted by Ballcancer

I would agree to definitely get an AEG first they can be used year round and if you get yourself a decent one (ie. Kwa, classics army, Tokyo marui) they will last you quite a while and are pretty much maintenance free ( aside from general cleaning and what not) thought they do allow for a higher mag count I don't really like the sewing machine noise that comes from them. And for the most part they are more consists than gas rifles. Now gas on the other hand is fun as hell. They are obviously more realistic than AEGs. But they do take for the most part, initial upgrades to be considered gameable (exception the kjw/tk m4 ). They also require regular maintenance and cleaning. I thoroughly clean and lube my gbbr after every game and do maintenance teardowns once a month or more if required. Finally you have to consider that each mag holds the same amount of bb's as a real steal rifle --30-- trust me this is plenty I run 7 mags total when I game mine. Gbbrs force you to actually use your sights (iron or optics) when engaging targets as you have recoil to deal with now (not as much as a real steal but enough it needs to be considered). This further increases the realism. Also reloading takes a little longer as it's more than just changing mags (exception tactical reload). Gbbrs suffer from massive cool down, meaning they don't like cooler weather and basically are useless in temps of +10 and below ( again exception the kjw m4) in terms of spare parts there are tones of aftermarket parts for both the WE and WA/G&P WOC style gbbrs just need to know where to look. All I all both come down to personal preference. If you are going to go for the gas route prepare to do a lot of reading and research so that you can get your gun running smoothly and consistantly . AEGs are basically pull out the box and go play.

Enjoy!

Thanks for the comment, it was very helpful! Yeah, if i were to get a GBBR it would be the KJW M4, but why is it the exception when it comes to upgrading and firing in conditions under 10+ degrees? Is it really good? Also, why do GBBRs take longer to reload?

pancakedestroyer · January 2nd, 2011, 22:18

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Originally Posted by Sdens63

Thanks for the comment, it was very helpful! Yeah, if i were to get a GBBR it would be the KJW M4, but why is it the exception when it comes to upgrading and firing in conditions under 10+ degrees? Is it really good? Also, why do GBBRs take longer to reload?

KJW has been found to be the most reliable out of the box to just grab and game without needing upgrades to the internals. That is why they say it is the exception.
As for why the mags take longer to reload, you need to charge the mag with propane or green gas and fill it as opposed to just filling it with bbs in the standard AEG mag.

Sdens63 · January 2nd, 2011, 22:26

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Originally Posted by pancakedestroyer

KJW has been found to be the most reliable out of the box to just grab and game without needing upgrades to the internals. That is why they say it is the exception.
As for why the mags take longer to reload, you need to charge the mag with propane or green gas and fill it as opposed to just filling it with bbs in the standard AEG mag.

Oh, well, no I knew you had to charge them with propane, I thought he meant that on the field, with multiple mags, it took longer to put one in the gun, charge a round and start firing.

Ballcancer · January 3rd, 2011, 00:22

Partly that but pancakedestroyer described what I meant -- gbbr mag and the reliability of the kjw -- thanks pancakedestroyer-- but yea in terms of reloading on the field you have to factor in charging the weapon as you described... And yea it takes longer to refill the mags when I do it I fill with bbs, then have to add oil to the fill nozzle reservoir and then fill the mag. In terms of the kjw performance it doesn't have nearly the same amount of problems with cool down as say WE and WA gbbrs because of the internals as the airnozzle and air chamber are plastic and the design of the hop up as well because the bolt is lighter it uses less gas per shot anybody correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that has a lit to do with it

kullwarrior · January 3rd, 2011, 00:31

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Originally Posted by fi3re

dont get a gas rifle as your first gun. Each gas system is different so finding spare parts will be very tough. mags are also 50 bucks each as opposed to 10 for AEG's.

Failure rates are similar between the two types but if something goes wrong with a V2 or V3 mechbox anyone can teach you how to fix it, and where you can buy parts.

I disagree, you should be familiar with the internal of your gun, AEG is pretty steep to start understanding and actually fixing it.
KJW, KSC is really good platform to start with
WA has lots of parts, but you also need to replace lots of parts constantly
WE has WE's support, also it has pretty good relaibility with latest version.

Ballcancer · January 3rd, 2011, 00:43

This is true AEG's are great to start gaming with because of the lower price tag(for the most part) but once you get down to tearing into a mechbox it is like hell and back well that's what I think anyway. If you want to run a gbbr then great and I highly recommend the kjw m4 as it will allow you to play in a bit more chilly weather and is a bit easier on the wallet in the long run. Also be prepared to play some what conservatively because of the round count in the mags. But interms of internals gbbrs are a lot simpler I find.

brixx · January 3rd, 2011, 22:41

Both gbbr and AEG are good guns realism and feeling gbbr are far better to use. Don't get me wrong AEG are also a good airsoft infact I have both of the AEG and gbbr guns for AEG fast more ammo maintenance more on AEG I own ICS AEG and KJW m4 this are excellent selection cause ICS are split box and almost like a systema m4 kjw m4 otherwise is best gbbr out of the box I hav mine for quite a while an I still love it.

ThunderCactus · January 4th, 2011, 03:15

Get an AEG, they're the most reliable.
Whether a guy owns a PTW, GBBR, $2500 inokatsu LMG, anytime they break they always fall back on an AEG.
It's been mainstream the longest, has the most parts available, and they've got the longest track record for going without repair.
I've never heard of a stock GBBR do 300,000 rounds before breaking!

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January 2nd, 2011, 19:04	#1
Sdens63 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Montreal, QC	Question about Gas vs Electric Hi, I'd just like to know your opinions on Gas rifles and Electric rifles. I've heard that Electric have higher mag caps, but make a lot of noise, while Gas rifles are more realistic, make less noise, but can't be used in the cold and need to be cleaned often. I'd just like to know the major differences and the pros and cons of either system, as I'm buying a new rifle soon and I'd like to know which kind to purchase.

January 2nd, 2011, 21:19	#4
Ballcancer Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gravenhurst, ON	I would agree to definitely get an AEG first they can be used year round and if you get yourself a decent one (ie. Kwa, classics army, Tokyo marui) they will last you quite a while and are pretty much maintenance free ( aside from general cleaning and what not) thought they do allow for a higher mag count I don't really like the sewing machine noise that comes from them. And for the most part they are more consists than gas rifles. Now gas on the other hand is fun as hell. They are obviously more realistic than AEGs. But they do take for the most part, initial upgrades to be considered gameable (exception the kjw/tk m4 ). They also require regular maintenance and cleaning. I thoroughly clean and lube my gbbr after every game and do maintenance teardowns once a month or more if required. Finally you have to consider that each mag holds the same amount of bb's as a real steal rifle --30-- trust me this is plenty I run 7 mags total when I game mine. Gbbrs force you to actually use your sights (iron or optics) when engaging targets as you have recoil to deal with now (not as much as a real steal but enough it needs to be considered). This further increases the realism. Also reloading takes a little longer as it's more than just changing mags (exception tactical reload). Gbbrs suffer from massive cool down, meaning they don't like cooler weather and basically are useless in temps of +10 and below ( again exception the kjw m4) in terms of spare parts there are tones of aftermarket parts for both the WE and WA/G&P WOC style gbbrs just need to know where to look. All I all both come down to personal preference. If you are going to go for the gas route prepare to do a lot of reading and research so that you can get your gun running smoothly and consistantly . AEGs are basically pull out the box and go play. Enjoy! __________________ Last edited by Ballcancer; January 2nd, 2011 at 21:27..

January 3rd, 2011, 00:22	#8
Ballcancer Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gravenhurst, ON	Partly that but pancakedestroyer described what I meant -- gbbr mag and the reliability of the kjw -- thanks pancakedestroyer-- but yea in terms of reloading on the field you have to factor in charging the weapon as you described... And yea it takes longer to refill the mags when I do it I fill with bbs, then have to add oil to the fill nozzle reservoir and then fill the mag. In terms of the kjw performance it doesn't have nearly the same amount of problems with cool down as say WE and WA gbbrs because of the internals as the airnozzle and air chamber are plastic and the design of the hop up as well because the bolt is lighter it uses less gas per shot anybody correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure that has a lit to do with it __________________

January 2nd, 2011, 20:15	#2
BGrail25 Trader rating Join Date: May 2009	A lot of people say get an AEG first. They're easier to work with if you're starting out.

January 2nd, 2011, 20:24	#3
fi3re Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Tdot scarberia	dont get a gas rifle as your first gun. Each gas system is different so finding spare parts will be very tough. mags are also 50 bucks each as opposed to 10 for AEG's. Failure rates are similar between the two types but if something goes wrong with a V2 or V3 mechbox anyone can teach you how to fix it, and where you can buy parts.

January 3rd, 2011, 00:43	#10
Ballcancer Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gravenhurst, ON	This is true AEG's are great to start gaming with because of the lower price tag(for the most part) but once you get down to tearing into a mechbox it is like hell and back well that's what I think anyway. If you want to run a gbbr then great and I highly recommend the kjw m4 as it will allow you to play in a bit more chilly weather and is a bit easier on the wallet in the long run. Also be prepared to play some what conservatively because of the round count in the mags. But interms of internals gbbrs are a lot simpler I find. __________________

January 3rd, 2011, 22:41	#11
brixx Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: winnipeg, manitoba	Both gbbr and AEG are good guns realism and feeling gbbr are far better to use. Don't get me wrong AEG are also a good airsoft infact I have both of the AEG and gbbr guns for AEG fast more ammo maintenance more on AEG I own ICS AEG and KJW m4 this are excellent selection cause ICS are split box and almost like a systema m4 kjw m4 otherwise is best gbbr out of the box I hav mine for quite a while an I still love it.

January 4th, 2011, 03:15	#12
ThunderCactus Not Eye Safe, Pretty Boy Maximus on the field take his picture! Trader rating Join Date: Feb 2007	Get an AEG, they're the most reliable. Whether a guy owns a PTW, GBBR, $2500 inokatsu LMG, anytime they break they always fall back on an AEG. It's been mainstream the longest, has the most parts available, and they've got the longest track record for going without repair. I've never heard of a stock GBBR do 300,000 rounds before breaking!

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