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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:11   #16
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Honestly $400 is basically what gets you an at-par rifle. Spending any less and you have a good chance of regretting it. Due to circumventing yadda yadda I'm not going to suggest anything with a price tag.

Your best bet would be to just look at some of the reviews that are posted publically and come to a general decision based on different companies feedback, and then don't purchase anything until you're of age otherwise the ASC monster will put it's foot right up your ass.
okay two things:
1: THANK YOU FOR AN HONEST OPINION!

2: What do you mean about purchasing unless I'm of age, as far as the law goes you have to be 18 to purchase airsoft guns and ammunition but dont have to be 18 to operate a gun. Sooo as long as I'm not the one purchasing it, why cant I operate it? It's kinda like saying somebody cant buy it for me as a gift becuase I'm not 18.
But please correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am)
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:16   #17
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An "at par" sniper is going to get you shot in a game.

This is primarily because a stock or lightly upgraded AEG will likely outrange it and will have a huge advantage due to ROF and mag capacity of AEGs.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:31   #18
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okay two things:
1: THANK YOU FOR AN HONEST OPINION!

2: What do you mean about purchasing unless I'm of age, as far as the law goes you have to be 18 to purchase airsoft guns and ammunition but dont have to be 18 to operate a gun. Sooo as long as I'm not the one purchasing it, why cant I operate it? It's kinda like saying somebody cant buy it for me as a gift becuase I'm not 18.
But please correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am)
Because you are not an adult or legally responsible for your actions. It is not a matter of how "mature" you may or may not be. It is the same reason that you can't get your own car insurance without a guarantor before you turn 18.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:32   #19
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My standards of "at par" are higher than what most people may see it as. Some people see "at par" as "as long as it shoots, it's good". I'm against that. It better perform and perform well without requiring the entire cost of the fucking gun just to get it operating. Case and point, my M16 was just purchased. 355-360FPS consistently, shoots dead on, hop-up isn't a piece of shit, and I haven't upgraded the gearbox/internals (yet).

In Ontario, you must be 18 years of age to operate an airsoft rifle. I can't speak for other provinces/territories as I'm not familiar with their particular laws as they do vary slightly. However, having someone else purchase the rifle for you as a means of circumventing the restriction will not fly by most, if any, airsofters.

There've been enough accidents and random bullshit because of children playing with airsoft rifles, even people above the age of majority acting like dickbags with them, and then typically the entire sport suffers as a whole. Any game you go to will most likely enforce a 18+ rule, some places will give an exception, say you're 17 and your birthday is the following weekend or something provided you show proof of D.O.B.. The lowest I've seen is a 16 year old in a game with his father supervising him by participating in the game and on his team. Both players were banned due to not following the rules dictated by the safety guidelines that every player typically upholds simply because they didn't think they had to follow the rules because it's only their problem if something happens to them, and it isn't. The entire community suffers. You get shot in the eye because you took your goggles off, you go to the hospital, they ask what happened, you got shot in the eye with a BB gun, the police are instantly now involved because it was the result of a firearm, soccer mom sees it, we're all fucked.

Rules are in place for a reason. I waited from 2000 until 2006 to get involved in the sport due to my age, and I'm sure there are other people who were just as patient. Not trying to destroy your will to play or anything, but don't expect to get accepted into the game at such a young age, it simply doesn't happen. Best bet is to just keep tucking money away over the years for the sport, this way when you are of age, you can purchase your entire kit and be ready for a game.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:49   #20
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What do you mean about purchasing unless I'm of age, as far as the law goes you have to be 18 to purchase airsoft guns and ammunition but dont have to be 18 to operate a gun. Sooo as long as I'm not the one purchasing it, why cant I operate it? It's kinda like saying somebody cant buy it for me as a gift becuase I'm not 18.
But please correct me if I'm wrong (which I probably am)
We live in a society today where paranoia is rampant, foam pool cues and arrows are terrorist weapons and forgotten luggage are considered bombs. If an under-aged kid like yourself fucks up somehow, this sport gets the blame.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:55   #21
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In Ontario, you must be 18 years of age to operate an airsoft rifle. I can't speak for other provinces/territories as I'm not familiar with their particular laws as they do vary slightly. However, having someone else purchase the rifle for you as a means of circumventing the restriction will not fly by most, if any, airsofters.

There've been enough accidents and random bullshit because of children playing with airsoft rifles, even people above the age of majority acting like dickbags with them, and then typically the entire sport suffers as a whole. Any game you go to will most likely enforce a 18+ rule, some places will give an exception, say you're 17 and your birthday is the following weekend or something provided you show proof of D.O.B.. The lowest I've seen is a 16 year old in a game with his father supervising him by participating in the game and on his team. Both players were banned due to not following the rules dictated by the safety guidelines that every player typically upholds simply because they didn't think they had to follow the rules because it's only their problem if something happens to them, and it isn't. The entire community suffers. You get shot in the eye because you took your goggles off, you go to the hospital, they ask what happened, you got shot in the eye with a BB gun, the police are instantly now involved because it was the result of a firearm, soccer mom sees it, we're all fucked.
That cleared a lot up thank you.
I guess I shall simply wait and save up for a top notch gun and join in on the sport fully prepaired!
However why do some allow -18 to play if thats against the law?
And why can people be "tried as an adult" if they commited a crime if they are not "legally responsible for their actions"?

From now on I think I will just sit back and enjoy the forums even at my age, asking questions and gaining knowledge and blaw blaw. I hope my questions do not sound to whiney or anything. Just trying to make everything clear to myself so Im 100% positive
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Old July 1st, 2010, 01:56   #22
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let your balls drop, and save up your cash. Stick around ASC and learn, and when you are 18... airsoft will still be here.
Do lots of reading, and very little posting unless you are 100% sure the question has never ever, ever, been asked before. Other than that .... welcome to purgatory.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 02:10   #23
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That cleared a lot up thank you.
I guess I shall simply wait and save up for a top notch gun and join in on the sport fully prepaired!
However why do some allow -18 to play if thats against the law?
And why can people be "tried as an adult" if they commited a crime if they are not "legally responsible for their actions"?

From now on I think I will just sit back and enjoy the forums even at my age, asking questions and gaining knowledge and blaw blaw. I hope my questions do not sound to whiney or anything. Just trying to make everything clear to myself so Im 100% positive
-18 is dependent on the field owner. Most owners will not allow it. The ones who have a field in the middle of ass-crack nowhere may or may not allow a 17 year old who's close to the age of 18.

And you can be tried as an adult when not 18 for committing a crime if you have a record already. I know there's other factors, just don't know them off the top of my head. Even when underage and a felon, you are charged for your actions, just simply at a reduced level at first offense, unless you committed murder or something, which is kind of a conscious choice.

No question is a stupid question. Best place to ask questions is the newbie tank, especially in your position. Always use the search function before hand and see if you can kind an answer, as a lot of newbie questions have been asked before.
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Old July 1st, 2010, 02:10   #24
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And why can people be "tried as an adult" if they commited a crime if they are not "legally responsible for their actions"?
IANAL but I believe there has to be some sort of premeditation and intent in a crime in order to be tried as an adult (ie. 1st degree murder is probably enough that a minor was fully aware of their actions, what they were doing and intent), it's actually not very common to the best of my knowledge and most of the time it's taken to juvenile court (ie. second degree or manslaughter).

As for the under 18 thing, it's only to buy not to operate. However operation of an air rifle (including .177 pellet and 6mm airsoft) should be under the supervision of a responsible parent/legal guardian.

Just ask the field owner if you can play and do it nicely. Most of us don't like minors in the games however it's not up to us just what we feel. Hell, in the Phillipines and such I'm sure there's kids as young as 14 playing. If they say welcome but you need a parent to play with you then bring a parent. If they say sorry wait 2 years (16) then do it and ask them again. If they say wait 4 years then you'll have to wait it out until then.

Keep in mind there are groups such as EASY, Low Shots, and Ambush Anonymous which fully support giving minors a place to play but that's not the general position of the community at large on this forum (this is a generalization but I hope I'm not wrong in that generalization).

I personally believe that 16+ is fine in my books on a case by case basis if they can behave themselves and not be a fucktard but for the most part 16 year olds these days kind of disappoint me (then of course there's always the few that are exemplary citizens and volunteer for this and that but for the most part teens in the 12-17 cohort these days aren't like that).
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Old July 5th, 2010, 20:35   #25
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Get over yourselves. Just because YOU all seem to think that airsoft has to be 18+, doesn't mean that it's the law. Chill out, for god sakes.
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Old July 5th, 2010, 20:43   #26
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Really? can you please quote the Canadian Criminal Code or Firearms act to proove this statement?
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Old July 5th, 2010, 20:51   #27
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Get over yourselves. Just because YOU all seem to think that airsoft has to be 18+, doesn't mean that it's the law. Chill out, for god sakes.
Of course its not the law, however it is this websites policy. If you don't like it then please feel free to not use this website.

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Unless you live in Ontario, then I believe you actually have to be 18 years or older to purchase as it is a provincial law.
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