Typical Noob Questions: Which is better?

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by TCarate

I was originally looking for the Uramex/VFC 416 DX model. I'm going to go for the VFC below I think. Has some decent reviews. Thanks for the reply. Unless there is anywhere I could find one that you know of.

http://www.mach1airsoft.ca/catalog.p...&id=426&cat=23

Um, why not from there?

Also it's site policy not to help anyone not AV'd with buying guns or pointing out where they can buy guns.

[TCarate]

Yeah, I know about the AV. I've been in touch with Optix about setting up a time since he's close to me. Just need to find a day I can make it out to the store or panther since its close to me.

[bmak6]

WE m4
http://www.camouflage.ca/WE_M4_CQBR_...2_p/we1003.htm

or

KJW m4 (C8) I guess looks more canadian.
http://airsoftgear.ca/index.php?main...roducts_id=929

[L473ncy]

KJW out of the box is probably better (the "father" of airsoft, Tanio Koba had a hand in helping to design the KJ M4), but if the WE is Open Bolt version and you're willing to dump at least $400-500 of RATech parts into it (NPAS kit is definitely needed, and everything else after that is pretty much reinforced/durability parts) you can have a solid GBBR.

Also VFC has some new GBBR's coming out for 2012. Maybe you should wait for them if any of the retailers get their hands on them. They'll probably cost an arm and a leg though. I know the old VFC GBBR's did at least (but also partly because they were a bit rare to find landed in Canada back then as well).

[bmak6]

Originally Posted by L473ncy

KJW out of the box is probably better (the "father" of airsoft, Tanio Koba had a hand in helping to design the KJ M4), but if the WE is Open Bolt version and you're willing to dump at least $400-500 of RATech parts into it (NPAS kit is definitely needed, and everything else after that is pretty much reinforced/durability parts) you can have a solid GBBR.

Also VFC has some new GBBR's coming out for 2012. Maybe you should wait for them if any of the retailers get their hands on them. They'll probably cost an arm and a leg though. I know the old VFC GBBR's did at least (but also partly because they were a bit rare to find landed in Canada back then as well).

Oh okay, I'll keep my pants on for a-bit then. Was just at airsoftgear earlier today to take a look at some stuff

[haven.hatty]

I've been in touch with Optix about setting up a time since he's close to me. Just need to find a day I can make it out to the store or panther since its close to me.

[ThunderCactus]

This thread is so damn old CA is still considered high grade O_O
CA; shiny ass plasticy paint on the M4 receivers, made of weak pot metal, the 249s are notorious for losing parts, A&K who cloned their 249 actually makes a better box mag, their mechboxes aren't fully TM spec in bushing placement, weaker mechbox shells, quality goes up and down depending on how their sales are doing, notoriously some of the least reliable internals.
Let's everyone be honest, they make only half decent guns and the only reason CA was ever popular is because they had the only decent full metal bodied guns on the market 4-7 years ago, the only decent MP5s, the only metal G3s, and the only marui compatible 249 (anyone remember TOP? and STAR's clear plastic LMG mechboxes?). I'd rather buy a G&G M4 these days.

I'd move STAR to low grade (I've been in a few, they're REALLY bad) and CA to mid at the very most
ARES and A&K at the bottom end of mid

marui can be argued....they're high quality in terms of stock reliability, but too expensive when you consider it's performance limitations. Costs a new gun to upgrade to a metal body and going above 350fps costs a new mechbox shell.

Add realsword to high quality, they're tanks

and whats everyones opinion on LCT? Their bodies are excellent but I know nothing of their stock internals

[wilsonred5]

cool

[fuzzyyeti]

Interesting