The way things are going...

[T0asTer]

^^ Agree with that! Saw it on WGC as well. Plus, I don't beleive things would go out of control on airsofting. I mean, it IS a world wide reknown sport isn't it? It's been on for years now... It is in the gray zone but hey, people try to find reasons and are ''affraid'' because of what they see in medias. Like someone said, we live in a country that people are affraid of what they do not understand... and that is pityful...

[Pip]

Well heres the thing, airsoft is played the world over (except for Australia afaik). There have been bombings all over europe, most recently the UK and Spain...we all know about 9/11, and as far as eastern europe goes, anyone with a slight knowledge of history will know they haven't had the most peaceful of times in the last 20-30 years....Canada on the other hand has had no major terrorist attack, and only a handful of school shootings. So why in the hell is everyone so damned scared? I can't seem to figure it out...

I know a while back there was talk of sending a letter to the government informing them of what airsoft was and such, does anyone know if that went through? And if so what was the response? Personally i think we should lobby to have airsoft declared and defined specifically...now isn't the time obviously, but it might be something to work on. If we look at the guys over in the UK as an example, they didn't oppose the ban on airsoft by sitting around complaining. Preventative measures might be a course of action to look at in the near future....anywhoo. Let me know what you guys think...

[Flint]

Rant Alert!You've been warned!

Hell I came here from a communist country and every time the liberals say socialism it makes me sick because the communists used that same word to describe the state of Yogoslavia! And that was a place of no freedom, no free say and if you where Catholic or Muslum you where hunted down and killed by Serbian Cetniks! All I see in Canada is freedoms and rights being taken away by the govenerment and the people can not have much say towards it out of fear! This statment is NOT ment to be offensive towards Canada or Canadians and you can take this any way you want, I came to this country out of my own free will and for the most part would reather not be any where else but I want to state that some action needs to be taken befor we all get shaft for having a hobby, being a member of a religion or what ever, where dose it stop? Banning replica guns is got going to lower any kind of crime and banning the real ones is just going to make gun runners smile from the tidy profit they are going to make selling illegal guns to canadians and the gun crimes is just going to be in the same shape it is now, just that the media is not going to report it! Being scared that the media is going to put a bad spin on airsoft will happen regarless, in communism the media said what the govenorment told them what to say to the people, and thats what I'm seeing here as well, remember the pitbull ban? Didn't hear much about it then all of a sudden it seemed like every pitbull went nuts and started killing people and the govenerment steped in to save the day and banned pitbulls and now the media don't say shit about and every one thinks every thing is safe, what a load of shit that is. They won't try to ban Honda Civics for street racing and the kill count that goes with that because of the power and money Honda have and they will fight the govenerment tooth and nail on that one and win so the govenerment needs to attack things where they think there will be little defence like us the airsofters and make them selfs look good to the rest like they are doing some kind of good that is really just bullshit! I'm not going to say the sky is falling but it don't look regardless! Some thing is going to have to be done just for our own general freedom as Citizens of Canada! You want to hear some really scary shit, I work at York University and that place is nothing but hardcore leftys and over hearing the stuff they say, Liberals don't beleave that "the comman person is intelligent enough to make decisions for them selfs and the govenerment needs to make them for us and tell us what is right and wrong!" Thats fucken Communism!!!! We have to step up to the plate and defend our selfs, our freedoms and our rights because no one is going to do it for us and the govenerment don't give two shits about the people! This not just about Airsoft!

End of Rank , if you have any problems with any of that then PM your flames instead of messing up good thread! I'll be sitting back and finisihing my bottle of gin and waitting for any PMs!

Cheers!

[Greylocks]

Airsoft works because it is being kept discrete. If you are stupid enough to bring the subject into the full view of the authorities, specially these days, you need a reality check.

DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT.

If you want to know what has been done, there is a thread about that, read it. Yes, you'll have to look for it, but it's pinned.

[TFZ-OZ]

I agree with pretty much anything that saves us grief down the road. I only skimmed through this tread and liked what I seen - what if we took it one step more and watermarked all images with "Airsoft" so any images on the gallery are branded

[Blackthorne]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Airsoft works because it is being kept discrete. If you are stupid enough to bring the subject into the full view of the authorities, specially these days, you need a reality check.

DO NOT ROCK THE BOAT.

X100

Lets get the real guns friggin' figured out first with the Feds, THEN worry about airsoft.

That battle will lead the way for this one.

[Gerkraz]

The only way to get anything done at the governmental level is if that thing which you want done will look good on the politician acting on it.

Nobody cares about anything unless it will make them look good. It's a sad fact, but those interested in doing the "right thing" are few and far between, especially when dealing with a touchy matter.

[Blastyman]

Originally Posted by Amazing KG3

i would easily go to most lengths (i am not kissing a man) to ensure that we keep airsoft.

Close your eyes, a mouth is a mouth just ask him to shave.

Its great to be Bi you get twice as many dates.

If all I had to do was kiss a man to legitize airsoft in the nation damn straight (or gay) I would do it!.

Hell I would bust out the vasaline and bust a nut too! hehe

[sdsbwc]

im not 100% sure about this, as i am pretty new to airsoft, but i was just playing at TTAC in toronto the other nite, and the instructor was saying things about how in the past they had members of Toronto's ETF playing there, and from my readings through all these forums we also have a lot of cops playing with us in their off time, so one thing i dont understand is why are they against us when they're on duty, but with us off duty, i mean, if anyone has some sort of contact with one of these officers, or etf members... etc, wudnt we be able to use them as some sort of reassurance that airsoft is a safe "sport" and there is no danger to the public and if it does come down to the point where the media gets involved, couldnt they defend the sport... i suppose we'd only need that defence if worst comes to worst, but its just an idea..
so i suppose this goes out to anyone who has organized an event, or has some sort of contact with an airsofting member of any police force, isnt it possibly sit down and talk with him/her.. have some sort of discussion with that person, and they maybe they cud bring that topic to their higher in command.. etc..
OR we need to find a politician that's an airsofter in thier spare time, i can see harper as a player, maybe he's hiding his lil secret from all of us..
anyways just a suggestion, as i really dont wanna see this sport go down into the dirt, esp after the investments me, and im sure all of u, have already put into airsoft..

[Flint]

You can't count on a cop because on duty they are under orders and to go agenst thouse orders, on or off duty, would mean them loosing thier job or rank!

[TFZ-OZ]

Originally Posted by sdsbwc

im not 100% sure about this, as i am pretty new to airsoft, but i was just playing at TTAC in toronto the other nite, and the instructor was saying things about how in the past they had members of Toronto's ETF playing there, and from my readings through all these forums we also have a lot of cops playing with us in their off time, so one thing i dont understand is why are they against us when they're on duty, but with us off duty, i mean, if anyone has some sort of contact with one of these officers, or etf members... etc, wudnt we be able to use them as some sort of reassurance that airsoft is a safe "sport" and there is no danger to the public and if it does come down to the point where the media gets involved, couldnt they defend the sport... i suppose we'd only need that defence if worst comes to worst, but its just an idea..
so i suppose this goes out to anyone who has organized an event, or has some sort of contact with an airsofting member of any police force, isnt it possibly sit down and talk with him/her.. have some sort of discussion with that person, and they maybe they cud bring that topic to their higher in command.. etc..
OR we need to find a politician that's an airsofter in thier spare time, i can see harper as a player, maybe he's hiding his lil secret from all of us..
anyways just a suggestion, as i really dont wanna see this sport go down into the dirt, esp after the investments me, and im sure all of u, have already put into airsoft..

Believe half of what you hear and all of what you see - be cautious of the sales pitch.

[Dozer_01]

The police are going to raid us all. We are all doomed. Sell/ burn all of your stuff right away. Be alarmed if a police officer shows up on your doorstep. Build a fast car to get you the hell away from the area. Catch a plane to Greenland and live in a cave. That's my plan.

[Roguer]

i just plan on layin low. making sure all my gear is locked up in my kit locker and wait out on what happens. best way to go about things, lay low and weather out this "storm" if it comes

Originally Posted by sdsbwc

im not 100% sure about this, as i am pretty new to airsoft, but i was just playing at TTAC in toronto the other nite, and the instructor was saying things about how in the past they had members of Toronto's ETF playing there, and from my readings through all these forums we also have a lot of cops playing with us in their off time, so one thing i dont understand is why are they against us when they're on duty, but with us off duty, i mean, if anyone has some sort of contact with one of these officers, or etf members... etc, wudnt we be able to use them as some sort of reassurance that airsoft is a safe "sport" and there is no danger to the public and if it does come down to the point where the media gets involved, couldnt they defend the sport... i suppose we'd only need that defence if worst comes to worst, but its just an idea.. So i suppose this goes out to anyone who has organized an event, or has some sort of contact with an airsofting member of any police force, isnt it possibly sit down and talk with him/her.. have some sort of discussion with that person, and they maybe they cud bring that topic to their higher in command.. etc.. OR we need to find a politician that's an airsofter in thier spare time, i can see harper as a player, maybe he's hiding his lil secret from all of us..anyways just a suggestion, as i really dont wanna see this sport go down into the dirt, esp after the investments me, and im sure all of u, have already put into airsoft..

That is easily the longest run-on sentance I've ever seen.

Police don't set law, they enforce it. Laws are set by the courts and the Government, who does what's in the best interest of their continued employment. If the massive public outcry against guns and replica guns looks like a vote-swaying issue, then the Government will easily pass a useless law to swing more votes.

Things to remember:

1) It's easier to ban something outright, which costs nothing, then to legalize it with restrictions and controls (like gun registries), which cost millions.

2) The appearance of doing something (weapon bans) is usually interpretted by the general public, or the uneducated masses, as an effective control against violence of that type; even if what's done does nothing to address the root cause (criminal behavior).

3) The public, who doesn't understand or is unwilling to acknowledge the root cause, will gobble up any bullshit law if they think it makes them safer and doesn't force them to acknowledge their own poor parenting skills or their children's mental instability. I.E, Little Johnny shot his schoolmates because he was corrupted by violent video games, as opposed to asking why the parent did nothing while Little Johnny played the same game they blame for his behavior; the excuse that it was unknown to them (the parents) illustrates that the parents aren't involved in the child's life enough to recognize and react to poor behavior.

[Korneil]

Originally Posted by Droc

just as an example, Ill pick this pic, posted in our gallery by Korneil.

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In light of recent events, should we be more descrete with out images? Should we archive and remove our gallery for the time being?
Should we only allow images from games and put a stop to the in-home posing?

thoughts
EDITED by Korneil

I dont really like being compared to Kimveer Gill, but I do get the point of Droc and I tend to agree with him that we need to take some actions.

We need to inform the people that come on this forum that airsoft is a sport, though we don't need to go out and tell every one in the streets. I add my voice to a clear and obvious disclaimer statement on the main page, which should remain there forever.

Locking the gallery can be a double edged blade, for the time being it could be good but in the run it could turn against us. If media ever stumble upon this, and it will happen no matter what we do, and they see that we are hiding something, whatever it is, they will think for sure that there is something wrong with airsoft. We have to keep the information on this website as clear as possible and as easy to get as it can be. The only thing worst than misinformation is no information at all.

We have to find solution that will be good for the community for a long period of time, taking decisions to quickly cannot be what we necessarilly want for the future of Airsoft. Temporary measures are not the way to go, we have to think in long term.