M15 A4 Carbine

Crunchmeister · May 11th, 2008, 15:32

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Originally Posted by mcguyver

Transfer of replicas is prohibited. Airsoft guns may or may not be replicas, depends who's doing the determination of that. Nowhere in the CCC does it state that airsoft is a replica, or that it is prohibited.

This is an old argument guys. Best some of you read the FAQ as well.

That's the grey part of the law right there that can work both for or against us. By some definitions, airsoft guns are replica firearms, which are prohibited. By others, they're imitation firearms (and classified as air guns) which are legal to own. That ambiguity is what allows us to still be able to get airsoft guns in the first place. But in other threads here on ASC where specific airsoft cases have been tried in court, they are always ruled as replicas, and you should always assume that they will be legally viewed as replicas in future court cases.

Crunchmeister · May 11th, 2008, 15:35

To quote HonestJohn from his Q&A thread posted here:
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=51609

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So what exactly IS airsoft classified as?
Airsoft guns are for the most part considered replicas. They live in a fuzzy space between imitation firearms (something that looks like a gun but is not an exact copy) and airguns (which paradoxically often are replicas, more on that later). Replicas are prohibited devices under Criminal Code, which does not mean they are firearms themselves, but are subject to many of the rules regarding prohibited firearms (as in, you aren't supposed to have any except those grandfathered after dec 1 98, and you're not supposed to sell them them).
however...
Replicas are not a standing defition: replicas are determined on a case by case basis, when there is a reason to. This means alot of the airsoft you own are not replicas YET, and this is where alot of the confusion (and hope) comes from. Realistically, you can expect any court to judge that a given airsoft gun is a replica, and thus we have to practically consider them replicas. Legally, the door is open a crack, however.

mcguyver · May 11th, 2008, 15:38

There was a case where I live where a guy got pissed at aonther driver and pointed his G&P M4 at him. The other driver called the cops, who took the fellow down on the road. He went to court and plead guilty (to what I have no idea as I wasn't able to find the court info), but he got his gun back from the judge after a hefty fine.

How do I know this? Becasue the retailer who sold him the gun gave it to me to fix, as the owner complained that "the cops fucked it up" while it was in the evidence lock-up.

So, not everyone in enforcement is of the same mind on this subject. Apparently, the cop who returned it to this fellow told him "you could have got a real one for the price you paid for that toy".

This was 3 years ago or so.

Crunchmeister · May 11th, 2008, 15:43

I'm sure there are cases where the guns were not ruled as replicas. You have a perfect example right there. But for the sake of practicality and keeping our game / sport alive, it's always best to err on the side of caution and treat and consider them as replicas. It's a crap-shoot as to what cops, crown attorney, or a judge may consider the gun as. As Miles stated in the Q&A, they're determined on a case-by-case basis, and we should assume they will be rules as replicas, even though this isn't always the case.

And yeah, the cop was right about the price too. :lol I know I looked into the price of a real Armalite M15A4 rifle from US sites a couple of months ago, and they sold for $599 US. I paid about $700 Cdn for my Classic Army M15A4...

Donster · May 11th, 2008, 16:10

ya but the trade off is you cant shoot people with them lol (as bad as that sounds). I mean what is better than having your favourite guns? Shooting people with them! Of course what makes this so great is that no one gets hurt (unless you count bruises) and its all in good fun. Its just like playing soldier when you were kids, except this time, you dont have to imagine you are holding your favourite gun, you actually get to. God airsoft rocks!

Crunchmeister · May 11th, 2008, 17:47

Yeah, I agree. For me, the airsoft thing started as collecting. I wanted to have replicas of my favorite guns. I had no idea that people actually PLAYED with this things in organized games. Once I discovered that... well, the urge to turn these things loose on willing targets is just too strong to deny! lol

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May 11th, 2008, 15:38	#63
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	There was a case where I live where a guy got pissed at aonther driver and pointed his G&P M4 at him. The other driver called the cops, who took the fellow down on the road. He went to court and plead guilty (to what I have no idea as I wasn't able to find the court info), but he got his gun back from the judge after a hefty fine. How do I know this? Becasue the retailer who sold him the gun gave it to me to fix, as the owner complained that "the cops fucked it up" while it was in the evidence lock-up. So, not everyone in enforcement is of the same mind on this subject. Apparently, the cop who returned it to this fellow told him "you could have got a real one for the price you paid for that toy". This was 3 years ago or so. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

May 11th, 2008, 15:43	#64
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	I'm sure there are cases where the guns were not ruled as replicas. You have a perfect example right there. But for the sake of practicality and keeping our game / sport alive, it's always best to err on the side of caution and treat and consider them as replicas. It's a crap-shoot as to what cops, crown attorney, or a judge may consider the gun as. As Miles stated in the Q&A, they're determined on a case-by-case basis, and we should assume they will be rules as replicas, even though this isn't always the case. And yeah, the cop was right about the price too. :lol I know I looked into the price of a real Armalite M15A4 rifle from US sites a couple of months ago, and they sold for $599 US. I paid about $700 Cdn for my Classic Army M15A4... __________________ Last edited by Crunchmeister; May 11th, 2008 at 17:06..

May 11th, 2008, 17:47	#66
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	Yeah, I agree. For me, the airsoft thing started as collecting. I wanted to have replicas of my favorite guns. I had no idea that people actually PLAYED with this things in organized games. Once I discovered that... well, the urge to turn these things loose on willing targets is just too strong to deny! lol __________________

May 11th, 2008, 16:10	#65
Donster Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: GTA	ya but the trade off is you cant shoot people with them lol (as bad as that sounds). I mean what is better than having your favourite guns? Shooting people with them! Of course what makes this so great is that no one gets hurt (unless you count bruises) and its all in good fun. Its just like playing soldier when you were kids, except this time, you dont have to imagine you are holding your favourite gun, you actually get to. God airsoft rocks!

M15 A4 Carbine

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