systema mp5

[mcguyver]

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[Endymion]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

I've said my piece. Agree or don't, it's up to you.

You, sir, are an asshole, and a royal fucktard of one at that. It's a shame too, since at one point I really envied the experience you have with Systemas on the whole and I've respected your points regarding the PTW. While you and others bickered in this thread about what may or may not be with regards to the MP5, you managed to present facts and anecdotes and generally supported your statements well.

But now not only have you ventured purely into speculation regarding MadMax's business, you've knowingly posted it in such a manner so as to draw doubt and skepticism regarding his business practices and his character, and that's something I can't sit by idly and watch. Perhaps Carl will say something to defend himself, or perhaps he'll throw his hands in the air and say "fuck it" because he has more pressing matters to deal with where his business is concerned. But what I know for sure is that he won't come here and bring a black mark upon another based purely on speculation, nor would he ever tell anyone to fuck off.

So fuck you. Asshole.

[MadMax]

1) I'm doing a review because I'm genuinely interested and I'm going to ShotShow where the MP5 will be first publicly contacted. I'm not an importer though. Wouldn't you want to see it if you were going there to market your companys products? I'm going to see my retailers, see some cool hardware, play craps, and throw some lead.

2) I stock PTW parts because I have a good rapport with SystemA from ASCA days. Manchovie does PTW repairs to provide a rare service to local PTW users who have trouble getting PTW parts. Between the two of us, we have a very strong technical base for diagnosing difficult problems. Bartek does good mechanical work, and I have some background and equipment for electronics work.

3) AR bashing is not intended to be a complete diss of the PTW AR build. It is a very strong build with generally good engineering. It does suffer from critical flaws which are often understated to the point of intentional ignorance. You have no idea how many technical gripes we have with most AEGs and GBBs of all types. We're not racist, we bitch about everybody. That being said we do look to improve things when we do repairs and we try to completely disclose the pros and cons of our work and the products we've come in direct contact with.

There are language issues when SystemA makes news releases. Hyperbole is typical of most press releases from most Asian manufacturers. You should see the press releases I get from CA, ICS, and other makers of airsoft goods.

4) To my knowledge there are no exclusive agreements that SystemA has made with Canadian importers. I am kept abreast of these details as there are sales regions I am required to respect (e.g. I can't sell SystemA products to the US or abroad).

Nobody has the MP5 yet and will probably not until March. I would suspect that an MP5 PTW released at significantly less than the base build of the AR PTW will command a price significantly less than the CDN retail price of a AR PTW. I don't know where you're getting $2k or making a judgement prior to any reviews.

[ILLusion]

mcguyver, I use to really enjoy reading your posts based on your experience with the PTW line, but I find your last couple of posts to be unappealing and downright low. The prejudice and now the assumptions behind motives are a real turnoff and totally uncalled for. You're bordering on "having an opinion" and being "a psycho zealot."

The attitude in here is starting to stink - please keep it clean, EVERYBODY (I'm also referring to the other guys who are starting to chime in) or I'm going to lock this thread. There's some good discussion going on in here, so let's keep it educational. I don't want to lock it because it was ruined by a couple of guys who felt the need to start calling each other names and kicking sand in each other's eyes. play nice.

[mcguyver]

Alan and Brian, you are right. I was an asshole, and your were right for telling me so Alan. I've been called that before, and perhaps sometimes I don't learn.

And Carl, I apologize for getting into your business end of things. It was totally uncalled for. I will not sit here and make excuses, there are none.

One thing I won't apologize for is my opinion of the MP5. I've formed it based on the pre-release photos and information, and am unlikely to alter it. I won't own one, so fat chance on me seeing one, but who knows. Call me stubborn, but that's how I see it.