PCU kit

pugs144 · December 21st, 2010, 09:53

The 0rc softshells all have wonky stitching as 0rc provides employment to disabled and developmentally challenged people so they don't necessarily use professional seamstresses.

Best way to verify authenticity is the water resistance of the fabric. Refer to militarymoron's PCU Lvl 5 review.

SINN · December 21st, 2010, 10:26

yeah exactly puggs! Unfortunately it is hard to tell these days what is real and what isn't sometimes. You have to do the old fashioned thing and learn the hard way sometimes...like Morb said:

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FYI from a function perspective, the clones don't hold a candle to the real deal. Like, not even close.

pugs144 · December 21st, 2010, 13:53

The fabric the Orc Lvl 5 is made from is silicone encapsulated EPIC fabric. The water resistance should be good for the life of the fabric so if you find your PCU isn't beading water even after a wash/dry cycle, then it's probably a knockoff.

Conker · January 29th, 2011, 16:17

I'm getting my kit ready for the feb 19th game here... I'm not looking to put a 100% accurate impression, but I want to do the best with what I have so it's reasonably close.

The base is the PCU Lvl5.

Here are a few pics I've got, if anyone got similar, either SFG, SEAL or others... feel free to share them!

These two last are airsofters.

Stewartb109 · January 30th, 2011, 22:44

Hate to tell you mate but the above photos are either level 6 or 7 definatly not 5. 5 is for wind and light precipitation, 7 is for static operations to -40 F, they are also using Outdoor Research Gaitors during hiking operations.

Those photos are from SEALs doing cold weather training on a 28 day course in Alaska.

pugs144 · January 30th, 2011, 22:56

Non-permeable Lvl 6 during high aerobic output activities? That doesn't make sense.

scottyfox · January 30th, 2011, 23:07

Looks like 5s to me. Talking to guys at Ft Drum and from my experience backcountry skiing, soft shells are fine in cold and windy so long as you layer with primaloft or fleece etc (or a Lv 3 midlayer). Lv 6 type shells (Arcteryx, PCU or whatever) tend to be overkill nowadays in all but the harshest weather.
It'll be lv 5 for me looking like Stay Puft with lots underneath for me in a couple weeks in Picton.

Stewartb109 · January 30th, 2011, 23:07

5 doesn't make much sense either though in those conditions. It takes about an hour or so of moderate or light snow exposure and 5 gets soaked. They've got to have on some other goodies under that aside from standard ECWCS (hate most of it, love 5+)

Looking at the hoods though, it does look like it could be 5

pugs144 · January 31st, 2011, 14:12

Refer to the PCU usage guide. Level 6 is only used for static conditions. In addition, if you read up on the softshell concept you'll see the logic behind it.

Conker · January 31st, 2011, 14:22

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Originally Posted by Piano Black

After talking to danneskjold on the phone today while I was at REI, I figured I'd post the PCU/APCU (Protective Combat Uniform/Advanced Protective Combat Uniform) layering guides.

PCU Layering Guide Card:

APCU Layer Guide:

I hope this prove to be useful.
-Vic

From Gearsoc.

pugs144 · January 31st, 2011, 14:32

Here's a full size version of the official PCU usage guide:
Link

lt_poncho · January 31st, 2011, 17:11

Exercising like that in LvL 6 would be like wearing a full body suit camelback bladder full of lukewarm water. It’s almost ridiculous how warm LvL 5 keeps you in low temperatures.

Has anyone else purchased any of the Propper APCU? I have LvL 1, 2 and a LvL 5 jacket on the way – it’s all on clearance now, so somewhat cheaper.

The GEN III ECWCS is really impressive too if you don’t mind a lot of ACU – you usually can find it new in full lvl sets for sale on eBay. I think I would be holding out for some time until a MilSim that calls for LvL 7 tho.

MilanWG · January 31st, 2011, 17:52

I have a pair of level 6 pants in the mail soon...

[SJ] RUBIO · February 1st, 2011, 15:36

I love my level 5..

scottyfox · February 2nd, 2011, 18:55

To tuck or not to tuck? The jacket into the pants that is. Skiing, I would leave a softshell out but my pants have a bib and the 5 jacket seems long enough to beg for it.
Winter application. Orc PCU, Lv 5 with Lv 2. Can't really tell in alot of those pics, what are your guys' thoughts?

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December 21st, 2010, 13:53	#48
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	The fabric the Orc Lvl 5 is made from is silicone encapsulated EPIC fabric. The water resistance should be good for the life of the fabric so if you find your PCU isn't beading water even after a wash/dry cycle, then it's probably a knockoff. Last edited by pugs144; December 21st, 2010 at 15:14..

January 29th, 2011, 16:17	#49
Conker Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Canada / Ireland / USA	I'm getting my kit ready for the feb 19th game here... I'm not looking to put a 100% accurate impression, but I want to do the best with what I have so it's reasonably close. The base is the PCU Lvl5. Here are a few pics I've got, if anyone got similar, either SFG, SEAL or others... feel free to share them! These two last are airsofters. __________________ WTS: King Arms/Madbull Mk18 Mod1 - VFC Mk17 SCAR-H midcap mags, FDE - VFC Mk17 SCAR-H + PWS rail, FDE WTB/WTT: CSOR gear, BFG, Tyr, Crye, etc

January 30th, 2011, 22:44	#50
Stewartb109 Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Virginia, USA	Hate to tell you mate but the above photos are either level 6 or 7 definatly not 5. 5 is for wind and light precipitation, 7 is for static operations to -40 F, they are also using Outdoor Research Gaitors during hiking operations. Those photos are from SEALs doing cold weather training on a 28 day course in Alaska. __________________ Callsign: Ghost, C 1-9 Team Medic Deployment Group: MEF Platoon: ODA 556 WEAPONRY -Systema PTW -14.5" Grenadier upper -14.5" soon to be MK18 upper -KWA Sig 226 PTP

December 21st, 2010, 09:53	#46
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	The 0rc softshells all have wonky stitching as 0rc provides employment to disabled and developmentally challenged people so they don't necessarily use professional seamstresses. Best way to verify authenticity is the water resistance of the fabric. Refer to militarymoron's PCU Lvl 5 review.

January 30th, 2011, 22:56	#51
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	Non-permeable Lvl 6 during high aerobic output activities? That doesn't make sense.

January 30th, 2011, 23:07	#52
scottyfox Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa	Looks like 5s to me. Talking to guys at Ft Drum and from my experience backcountry skiing, soft shells are fine in cold and windy so long as you layer with primaloft or fleece etc (or a Lv 3 midlayer). Lv 6 type shells (Arcteryx, PCU or whatever) tend to be overkill nowadays in all but the harshest weather. It'll be lv 5 for me looking like Stay Puft with lots underneath for me in a couple weeks in Picton.

January 31st, 2011, 14:12	#54
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	Refer to the PCU usage guide. Level 6 is only used for static conditions. In addition, if you read up on the softshell concept you'll see the logic behind it.

January 31st, 2011, 14:32	#56
pugs144 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: At the entrance to the Big Top	Here's a full size version of the official PCU usage guide: Link

January 31st, 2011, 17:11	#57
lt_poncho Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: GTA	Exercising like that in LvL 6 would be like wearing a full body suit camelback bladder full of lukewarm water. It’s almost ridiculous how warm LvL 5 keeps you in low temperatures. Has anyone else purchased any of the Propper APCU? I have LvL 1, 2 and a LvL 5 jacket on the way – it’s all on clearance now, so somewhat cheaper. The GEN III ECWCS is really impressive too if you don’t mind a lot of ACU – you usually can find it new in full lvl sets for sale on eBay. I think I would be holding out for some time until a MilSim that calls for LvL 7 tho. __________________ 86 Tactics Change.

January 31st, 2011, 17:52	#58
MilanWG Perroz Designs Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Toronto, ON	I have a pair of level 6 pants in the mail soon... __________________

February 1st, 2011, 15:36	#59
[SJ] RUBIO Trader rating Join Date: May 2010	I love my level 5..

February 2nd, 2011, 18:55	#60
scottyfox Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ottawa	To tuck or not to tuck? The jacket into the pants that is. Skiing, I would leave a softshell out but my pants have a bib and the 5 jacket seems long enough to beg for it. Winter application. Orc PCU, Lv 5 with Lv 2. Can't really tell in alot of those pics, what are your guys' thoughts?

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