Underage airsoft and the new parts rules...

Crunchmeister · July 7th, 2008, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Optimus88

It's simple logic my friends, you shouldn't need to buy parts unless you have the gun and you shouldn't have the gun unless you are over 18. Therefore only people over 18 need to see the parts section.

Again, there's nothing illegal or wrong for a minor owning a gun if it was acquired for them by a parent.

Optimus88 · July 7th, 2008, 10:03

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Again, there's nothing illegal or wrong for a minor owning a gun if it was acquired for them by a parent.

so then the parent can buy them the parts...

kullwarrior · July 7th, 2008, 10:22

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Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

Well, possession of an airsoft gun by a minor is NOT illegal. Only SALE to a minor is.

Pretty sure sales of any airsoft is actually ILLEGAL in court, ownership isn't. Personally no comment on the age-verified whole thing.

LoricTheMad · July 7th, 2008, 10:26

I agree on it from the standpoint that a lot of other folks have used in that I feel safer spending my money on something from a verified member who'd ostensibly be old enough and mature enough not to screw around. Besides that, verified members have to at least meet in person with a verifier anyway.

Crunchmeister · July 7th, 2008, 10:34

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Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Pretty sure sales of any airsoft is actually ILLEGAL in court, ownership isn't. Personally no comment on the age-verified whole thing.

Correct. When I say it in that way, I mean air guns in general, from clearsoft to pellet guns. Even though the law doesn't include actual airsoft guns, that's the law everyone refers to when they claim it's illegal for a minor to own guns.

Phalanix · July 7th, 2008, 10:56

Just because you're verified and 18+ doesn't mean you're mature and responsible. There have been countless number of douche bags that were verified (and later revoked). Likewise, there are those that are younger than 18 who are responsible and mature. But overall, the age verification helps weed them asshats out.

But the move to restrict the parts and accessories section helps cover up the loophole where a number of users were piecing AEG together from parts. While receivers/parts could have been separated so non-verified members can access the accessories, it would've been a nightmare to sort out (administratively). As well, going along with logic, if you're not old enough to buy the airsoft gun, why the need to buy parts and accessories for it? It's like buying car parts when you don't even have the car yet (or when you can't even legally drive).

While it may come as an inconvenience for some, it was the sensible thing to do. Plus, if you need an accessory, there are plenty of other sources to get them: for example, go on eBay and hit up eHobby, they have a large amount of accessories and for decent prices. Many members on ASC have shopped from them before.

Usually the people who bitch about the age restricted sections are the restricted 18- users.

surebet · July 7th, 2008, 11:08

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=24187
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=22395

Been there, done that. 18+ was always on the table, the recent "complete guns minus a small part" partouts were just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Someone once posted that if someone was meticulous and mature enough to assemble a gun from parts, it shows maturity and all.

You know what shows even more maturity? Waiting until you finally have 18 candles on your cake.

theguy · July 7th, 2008, 12:22

wow, thanks for your input guys, i guess my thoughts are this.
Trying to control the flow of most parts and accessories to minors this way is useless, they can just buy them from airsoftparts.ca. Bodies seem like the only thing that should be reasonably restricted and I agree with that, but things like springs and and lights? My point goes with what Crunchmeiser is saying, Its illegal for minors to but them, not own them, and in my case, when i got my AEG as a gift, i was hoping to integrate myself more into the ASC comunity by buying my parts here, not from a store...

SINN · July 7th, 2008, 12:28

well...when you turn 18, you can integrate all you want.

theguy · July 7th, 2008, 12:30

alright fine, wait i shall...

Styrak · July 7th, 2008, 12:35

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Originally Posted by theguy

wow, thanks for your input guys, i guess my thoughts are this.
Trying to control the flow of most parts and accessories to minors this way is useless, they can just buy them from airsoftparts.ca. Bodies seem like the only thing that should be reasonably restricted and I agree with that, but things like springs and and lights? My point goes with what Crunchmeiser is saying, Its illegal for minors to but them, not own them, and in my case, when i got my AEG as a gift, i was hoping to integrate myself more into the ASC comunity by buying my parts here, not from a store...

And now they are. All the other crap is just in the same boat because it would be a nightmare to try to administrate it all.

theguy · July 7th, 2008, 12:43

alright, i guess thats fair, thanks for all your input guys

Nik12 · July 7th, 2008, 12:49

I was shopping throughout the Parts/Accessories Section (and gear section) long before my Age Verification (which was quite recently). During the wait for my AEG (last summer) I purchased those little nessecities like mags and a random other accessory or two. I could have been Age Verified at that time, but wasn't (I was old enough). It would have been hard to find the deals I did if Parts/Accessories was closed off to me.

Basically, I'm saying that the system isn't perfect (we know that), and there are still some gaping holes where Age Verification doesn't reach (See Northwestern/Northern Ontario, Northern Canada, and essentially anywhere where there isn't a major city (thus eliminating some of the best places to play)). Yes, it's definately getting better though.

I think internals/recievers/major body bits & pieces should be locked up for Verified users only, yet common accessories (mags, RDS's, mounts, slings, etc) and small parts (pins, iron sights, sling mounts, hop-up rubbers, other commonly replaced parts, etc) be made available to everyone. It's hard to build an AEG of of accessories and small replacement parts (a mag, an RDS, a couple reciever pins and a sling/sling mounts don't amount to much of a gun).

This is just my opinion of course.

kalnaren · July 7th, 2008, 13:04

ASC supports the 18+ rule. Since, according to ASC community, those under 18 shouldn't have an AEG, then those under 18 should have no need for ASC parts.

Simple as that.

Oh, and Crunchmeister, in Ontario it is actually illegal for a minor to own an airsoft gun. There is provincial legislation covering that.

The Saint · July 7th, 2008, 13:09

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Originally Posted by kalnaren

Oh, and Crunchmeister, in Ontario it is actually illegal for a minor to own an airsoft gun. There is provincial legislation covering that.

No. The provincial legislation says that businesses can't sell imitation firearms to underaged individuals.

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July 7th, 2008, 10:26	#34
LoricTheMad Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London, ON	I agree on it from the standpoint that a lot of other folks have used in that I feel safer spending my money on something from a verified member who'd ostensibly be old enough and mature enough not to screw around. Besides that, verified members have to at least meet in person with a verifier anyway. __________________ "Void where prohibited. Prohibited where void. Void and prohibited where not allowed."

July 7th, 2008, 10:56	#36
Phalanix raaaaawrrr! Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: GTA	Just because you're verified and 18+ doesn't mean you're mature and responsible. There have been countless number of douche bags that were verified (and later revoked). Likewise, there are those that are younger than 18 who are responsible and mature. But overall, the age verification helps weed them asshats out. But the move to restrict the parts and accessories section helps cover up the loophole where a number of users were piecing AEG together from parts. While receivers/parts could have been separated so non-verified members can access the accessories, it would've been a nightmare to sort out (administratively). As well, going along with logic, if you're not old enough to buy the airsoft gun, why the need to buy parts and accessories for it? It's like buying car parts when you don't even have the car yet (or when you can't even legally drive). While it may come as an inconvenience for some, it was the sensible thing to do. Plus, if you need an accessory, there are plenty of other sources to get them: for example, go on eBay and hit up eHobby, they have a large amount of accessories and for decent prices. Many members on ASC have shopped from them before. Usually the people who bitch about the age restricted sections are the restricted 18- users. __________________ My ASC UserID is 666. Oh, great... Last edited by Phalanix; July 7th, 2008 at 10:59..

July 7th, 2008, 11:08	#37
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=24187 http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=22395 Been there, done that. 18+ was always on the table, the recent "complete guns minus a small part" partouts were just the straw that broke the camel's back. Someone once posted that if someone was meticulous and mature enough to assemble a gun from parts, it shows maturity and all. You know what shows even more maturity? Waiting until you finally have 18 candles on your cake. __________________ Annoyingly good with numbers Stop American Censorship Last edited by surebet; July 7th, 2008 at 11:14..

July 7th, 2008, 12:28	#39
SINN Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Toronto	well...when you turn 18, you can integrate all you want. __________________ MODT - Magnus Operator Development Team - tu fui ego eris

July 7th, 2008, 12:49	#43
Nik12 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto	I was shopping throughout the Parts/Accessories Section (and gear section) long before my Age Verification (which was quite recently). During the wait for my AEG (last summer) I purchased those little nessecities like mags and a random other accessory or two. I could have been Age Verified at that time, but wasn't (I was old enough). It would have been hard to find the deals I did if Parts/Accessories was closed off to me. Basically, I'm saying that the system isn't perfect (we know that), and there are still some gaping holes where Age Verification doesn't reach (See Northwestern/Northern Ontario, Northern Canada, and essentially anywhere where there isn't a major city (thus eliminating some of the best places to play)). Yes, it's definately getting better though. I think internals/recievers/major body bits & pieces should be locked up for Verified users only, yet common accessories (mags, RDS's, mounts, slings, etc) and small parts (pins, iron sights, sling mounts, hop-up rubbers, other commonly replaced parts, etc) be made available to everyone. It's hard to build an AEG of of accessories and small replacement parts (a mag, an RDS, a couple reciever pins and a sling/sling mounts don't amount to much of a gun). This is just my opinion of course. __________________ G19 Out of Sport. Have Fun!

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