New TM products, article from Arnies.

[Ronald Chang]

Originally Posted by wildcard

Just a FYI without TM R&D there are no china clones, and as much as we would like to contest the reliability or value of a Tokyo Marui VS other brands, Marui are the one that came up with the AEG for a mass market production, to my discontent they are also the one that end the era of the beloved GAS guns from JAC, KOKUSAI and others, as much as I hate TM I got to give them credit for marketing the most reliable AEG out of the box for us to bitch and complain about.

Very good point and good recap of airsoft history.

[Captain Tenneal]

tl;dr. Trolling for and against TM is moot. TM doesn't give a rats ass about what you folk want. They're already Japan's No. 1 AEG manufacturer and that is their market, everything else the world is concerned about is small change for them. They'll keep releasing stuff at their leisure, and of course the rest of the world just waits for their design to go and rip it off. But such is life with nations with lax copyright infringment laws.

I don't care if I wait. If it shoots better than something else without having to modify it at all, I don't give a shit if the competitor is making it out of monkey metal, albanian ivory and pure cocaine and costs less. I'll buy whatever works reliably out of the box. And so far with TM for me that's a zero failure rate!

But I digress;

Woot Px4.

It's unlikely that TM would make the rest of the -x4 series, I'll admit it'd be damn kickass if they made a GBB Cx4 Storm and then it's a simple matter swapping out mags from gun to gun. But, even so, it's at least a step closer towards a better Beretta (vs. having to resort to TM's old and lackluster design, WA's expensive and easily breakable design or KSC... Who I don't think have changed a damn thing internally in their guns since 1990 )

[ancorp]

YouTube - Tokyo Marui New AEG AKS74U

[Lakonian]

ETA on 1911? I'm down for it... 100%

[RacingManiac]

The MEU makes me regreat buying the 1911, but here is to hoping the mag will be usable on the 1911 so that I'll buy that instead of glue-on mag bumper for 1911 mag....

Or I might just pick one up down the line....

I do like the AKSU, and one with the recoil engine and hopefully metal upper will be cheaper than the VFC one....

[Crunchmeister]

So... to all those who insist on TM over Chinese for claims that they want something that works out of the box without any tomfoolery required...

So, how long DOES your 280 fps AEG with nylon bushings stay stock? I seriously doubt many of you experienced players that are touting the 'out of the box' experience with TM use stock TMs on the field. Maybe in CQB, but few of you use them stock outdoors.

The second you crack open the mechbox to swap bushings and spring, then you've right there shot your argument about TM. Crack open a JG's mechbox, clean, install metal bushings (if necessary, although many newer JGs have stock metal bushings) reshim, and regrease, and you have a gun every bit as reliable as any TM, and it STILL cost you 1/2 the price.

[Captain Tenneal]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

So... to all those who insist on TM over Chinese for claims that they want something that works out of the box without any tomfoolery required...

So, how long DOES your 280 fps AEG with nylon bushings stay stock? I seriously doubt many of you experienced players that are touting the 'out of the box' experience with TM use stock TMs on the field. Maybe in CQB, but few of you use them stock outdoors.

The second you crack open the mechbox to swap bushings and spring, then you've right there shot your argument about TM. Crack open a JG's mechbox, clean, install metal bushings (if necessary, although many newer JGs have stock metal bushings) reshim, and regrease, and you have a gun every bit as reliable as any TM, and it STILL cost you 1/2 the price.

TM-stock gearboxes will last surprisingly longer than a great deal many other AEG manufacturers. Mainly because they don't put ridiculous 350+ springs into an AEG with nylon bushings and have a QC that's better than everyone elses. Due to the ASGK-set FPS limit in Japan, AEG's aren't supposed to be opened and upgraded. Sure, replacement parts are readily available, but the gun is supposed to function as it is right from the get go.

Plus, I did use a stock TM AK and was outranging people with upgraded CA's and G&P's. (admittedly, I did turn that AK into an RPK so I can't comment on stock performance anymore)

[Crunchmeister]

Totally agreed there. TM guns are designed to operated stock as per ASGK agreements. And they're not designed to handle higher velocities, so any upgrading will require some serious internal work.

Now back to my question. How many people here in Canada actually play with stock TM AEGs? As far as I can tell from people here on ASC, not too many. All are upgraded with high performance internals, metal bodies, etc. That makes the gun they actually field less TM than the other brands of replacement parts. So really, whether you start that process with a TM or a JG is irrelevant. Considering the JG is about 1/2 the price of TM, to me it makes no sense to go the TM route.

As for reliability, I've had 2 brand new TM guns so far, and they've both failed miserably out of the box. My stock M4A1 snacked on its own gears in about a week of plinking at home. I replaced the gears, got about 200 rounds out of it before the mechbox cracked. Not exactly what I'd call reliable. And my P226 failed on mag #5. The replacement I got for this defective P226 didn't fare a whole lot better. However, my 2 STOCK JG guns have seen thousands of rounds (going on 15 000 with my MP5) and work flawlessly.

[TokyoSeven]

Ran a TM M4 stock untouched for 2 years.
Worked fine outdoors and indoors. Eventually though I decided it might be a good idea to open it and lubricate it. The piston did no show any signs of wear and the gears were still slightly lubricated after all that time.
I eventually did put in metal bushings, a systema spring guide and a 1 joule spring and sold it off. However I have to say, it performed very well without upgrades.

I wish I could say I use a stock TM gun today, but the only piece of my M4 that is still TM is the Mechbox shell and the cylinder and those are being replaced with KingArms and Modify.

[Crunchmeister]

Well, while it worked, my M4 was a great gun. I never gamed it, but it was very accurate. However, I'd also argue that my stock JG guns shot just as accurately.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

So... to all those who insist on TM over Chinese for claims that they want something that works out of the box without any tomfoolery required...

So, how long DOES your 280 fps AEG with nylon bushings stay stock? I seriously doubt many of you experienced players that are touting the 'out of the box' experience with TM use stock TMs on the field. Maybe in CQB, but few of you use them stock outdoors.

The second you crack open the mechbox to swap bushings and spring, then you've right there shot your argument about TM. Crack open a JG's mechbox, clean, install metal bushings (if necessary, although many newer JGs have stock metal bushings) reshim, and regrease, and you have a gun every bit as reliable as any TM, and it STILL cost you 1/2 the price.

One of My HK51 with the exception of a metal body is stock box, the price factor argument still stands, with out TM R&D Jg would never be able to come out with AEG that cheap we as players benefit from the fact that some Chinese company chose to clone an EXISTING system that has been QC and tested for flaws by TM and considering that these AEG were originally for Japan domestic market only consider ourselves extremely lucky that TM or Systema choose not to shut these manufacturer down from trade infringement and copyright violation.

Chinamade airsoft as good as they are price wise, will never equal to a TM or Systema, They simply would not have the resources to do the same R&D and QC as TM, whether to buy and use chinamade airsoft it is ultimately up to the individual player, as for myself I have enough bad experience with both China made airsoft and TM that majority of my stuff are hybrids but still based on TM designs.

[ProbeJax]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

The MEU makes me regreat buying the 1911, but here is to hoping the mag will be usable on the 1911 so that I'll buy that instead of glue-on mag bumper for 1911 mag....

Or I might just pick one up down the line....

I do like the AKSU, and one with the recoil engine and hopefully metal upper will be cheaper than the VFC one....

It says that you can use M1911 mags and parts on the MEU.

[RacingManiac]

here is to ordering a few of those mags...lol

[ProbeJax]

http://airsoft-news.eu/e107_images/n..._news_1905.jpg

Posters of the new stuff.

[Dracheous]

YouTube - Tokyo Marui M.E.U. Pistol GBB