sniping

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by jaa

Steam Whistle... or maybe Guinness

I'm listening...........

Originally Posted by Razzberry

Im not exactly sure but i know the movies and video games have completely romanticized snipers. The truth is that you and your spotter, or in the canadian forces 3 man sniper teams lie for hours even days and wait. You cant really move at all. Thats about it.

True, but airsoft sniping has about as far as a gap as ANYTHING real world vs. airsoft goes. Airsoft snipers don't have the luxury of sitting around for three to four days wainting for a target, and that would be a failure in real ife as well. Snipers, real world and airsoft, are best left to their own judgement, and if a target is assigned as a mission objective, they don't sit and wait for days/hours unless they KNOW the target will present themselves in that cone of observation area. Snipers are genreally trusted to sort their own position out, what best works for the mission objectives and for the team. Camping for hours on end is nothing more than a hidden guard, and is a superior waste of a sniper's skills and training. And that directly applies to airsoft as well. CF snipers are literally placed in harms way, and are there for a reason. They don't camp out on a mountainside for no reason other than to watch out for possible enemy troops walking around, and if so, chances are they'd be there only to watch farmers for a week solid. Total waste of resources (which acutally DOES happen BTW.) Takes a commander with great amounts of sniper knowledge (and training) to fully utilize a sniper to their best effect for the mission. 90% of the time commanders haven't got a fucking clue how to use a sniper team at all. Again, real world and airsoft suffer the same.

[ChiefInTrees]

Originally Posted by Aquamarine

You know NOTHING about sniping, do ya? lol

When I lived in The US I had an upgraded CA M24 and a stock M700. I didn't have them for long before they were sold when I moved here. But I can't say that I don't know anything.

Sending a spinning ball of plastic weighing in at a featherlight .25g, .36g, .46g downrange at 450-500fps is anything but accurate. A squirl fart or a leaf can divert a round enough to miss the target.

Even a +$600 airsoft sniper rifle would struggle to have the accuracy of a sub $100 BB or pellet gun.

For someone who watches movies and plays videogames and never has used an airsoft rifle, sniping can be quite disappointing. The major advantage is being silent. But when a scatter burst from an AEG is just as effective if not more at hitting targets at range, sniping, like Stalker said, it has its times.

[TokyoSeven]

Let me put it this way, Aquas PSG can divide by zero. Thats all I have to say.

[Aquamarine]

What's the distance from one side of a hockey rink to the other?

Three rounds. Center mass. Two others on this forum can confirm that.

Saying a tuned airsoft sniper rifle is not accurate is like saying a can of soda makes a terrible sex-toy.

[Aquamarine]

Originally Posted by TokyoSeven

Let me put it this way, Aquas PSG can divide by zero. Thats all I have to say.

Fuck. You beat me to the reply.

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by Amos

It's 500 FPS OR a certain Joule limit.

To get an airsoft to that limit with a .2 gram BB you'd need to be shooting 720 FPS

(If I remember correctly, don't quote me on this.)

For the records, you are partially correct, it is not "OR" but rather both.
First it is a limit of 5.7 joules, and if it is over this, then they chrony it. The calculation is done with measurements taken at muzzle.
So correctly... 5.7 joules (or more) and over 500 fps >>> is considered a fire arm.

The second half of your statement is correct Amos.

Originally Posted by ChiefInTrees

Even a +$600 airsoft sniper rifle would struggle to have the accuracy of a sub $100 BB or pellet gun.

....Don't even get me started. I'm just gonna sit back and let people think what they want about accuracy at range with a sniper rifle...

SHA DO

[Aquamarine]

no! Add your two bits on the subject so stalker and I aren't the only ones!!!!

[Amos]

Originally Posted by Sha Do

For the records, you are partially correct, it is not "OR" but rather both.
First it is a limit of 5.7 joules, and if it is over this, then they chrony it. The calculation is done with measurements taken at muzzle.
So correctly... 5.7 joules (or more) and over 500 fps >>> is considered a fire arm.

The second half of your statement is correct Amos.
SHA DO

Thank you for the correction.

[Sha Do]

Originally Posted by Amos

Thank you for the correction.

No worries bro, I wouldn't call it a correction, more of a clarification... there aren't many people who have subjected it to memory like some of us committed snipers (nuts, fanatics, whatever ...uhmmm), but I have to say that you were pretty bang on with the most important fact.

SHA DO

[jaa]

I'm not particularly good at physics, but if the legal limit is 500fps or 5.7 joules, how come I can't find any guns that fire over 500 fps with a .2g bb?

[hattrick]

A .2 will never chrony over 450 or so, its physics.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by jaa

I'm not particularly good at physics, but if the legal limit is 500fps AND 5.7 joules, how come I can't find any guns that fire over 500 fps with a .2g bb?

Corrected it for you. Largely it's because it's cheaper to have parts that will withstand 280fps with a 0.20g, and in some countries, airsoft guns have a 1 Joule maximum, suck as the UK. 1J is considered 330fps with a 0.20g BB. If airsoft is a worldwide market, it'd make sense to have products that can be legally imported and purchased by all markets. Aka. I doubt G&P are legal for import and sale into the UK, since they tend to shoot 425-430fps in stock form.

[Firewalker]

The actual stalking aspect of sniping could be considered more difficult than real world sniping for the simple fact you have to get that much closer to the enemy to hit them. Within hearing range, never mind visual range. It's not like you're tagging a dude from 1000+ meters, you're tagging him from, in most cases, 100 meters.

It's hard to sneak up on someone that close. Unless you're a ninja... Then you've got it made.

[Aquamarine]

Originally Posted by hattrick

A .2 will never chrony over 450 or so, its physics.

Why was mine capable of firing at 560fps then? Not picking a fight, wondering 'wtf'? Is TokyoSeven correct in saying that my PSG can divide by zero?

[CDN_Stalker]

I have been wondering what hattrick was meaning too, because it goes against fact and common sense.