Dragonskin

[Goldman]

Originally Posted by Ibby

It's the way of the military. I've been in lots of different units during my career. Some units have no problem with members using non-issued kit, so long as it's not a bright pink Hello Kitty rucksack. Some units are incredibly anal about non-issued kit. It depends where you're at. There's lots of good reasons in this thread as to why the DOD won't allow it. If I'm ever sent overseas, I'd pick up Dragonskin in a heartbeat. I rather enjoy the whole being alive thing.

Troopers who are KIA while wearing dragon skin are now being denied their GI life insurance pay outs... there has to be another reason.

[Yeoman]

missed this; ibby; here in canuckistan, they will not let you go if you wear non issued plates and kevlar. at least that's what the policy is. I've never heard of anyone doing the opposite though.
edit as well, the problem was that the company clamied it could take it, when it clearly could not. the test was then ran with stuff it said it could take, and failed. the company then attempted to back peddle by saying they never said that when they found out they had a bad batch of ceramics and issued the recall is what they've said. my memory is a little fuzzy but that's what I recall.
Greg

[Ibby]

Originally Posted by Yeoman

missed this; ibby; here in canuckistan, they will not let you go if you wear non issued plates and kevlar. at least that's what the policy is. I've never heard of anyone doing the opposite though.

I'm aware of that. However, I'm also aware of what my life is worth to me. I'm of the opinion that my paycheck is available to spend on whatever I want, including kit that will serve me better than standard issued stuff. I have a Cadpat chest rig I bought which I wear on BDF ex's. I don't wear it on school ex's due to the fact we have to be proper around the students. I still haven't gotten one of the new tac vests, which I doubt I'd wear anyways, as they do suck quite a bit.

me, Id stick with Kevlar with a Lexan plate any day.

[speakrsrfun]

I was watching "How it's made" on the tube the other night and saw them announcing a new technology being studied for a new body armour fabric made from genetically altered sheeps milk to form a spider silk protien type wool. From what I can gather it's essentially a sheep injected with DNA from a spiders genetic silk makeup into the area the build the genetic code for protein production in milk, production on the sheep is still small and quantity is a real issue with using spider silk for anything. Now I don't know how relevant this is and I couldn't find any real info on armour being tested or built, but on "How it's made" they said this fabric has 10X more stopping power than kevlar for the same density. Look into it, or as you NOOB bullies say GOOGLE it..... I found some very interesting reads when I looked deep, take care.

[SC_SY]

Originally Posted by speakrsrfun

I was watching "How it's made" on the tube the other night and saw them announcing a new technology being studied for a new body armour fabric made from genetically altered sheeps milk to form a spider silk protien type wool. From what I can gather it's essentially a sheep injected with DNA from a spiders genetic silk makeup into the area the build the genetic code for protein production in milk, production on the sheep is still small and quantity is a real issue with using spider silk for anything. Now I don't know how relevant this is and I couldn't find any real info on armour being tested or built, but on "How it's made" they said this fabric has 10X more stopping power than kevlar for the same density. Look into it, or as you NOOB bullies say GOOGLE it..... I found some very interesting reads when I looked deep, take care.

I believe the US and the Hebrew University in Israel are working on the spider silk armour you're talking about. There's also some research going on about using nanotechnology to create super strong materials for body armour.

[deep in the bush]

Would you ever feel your hits?

So if you didn't feel them how can you call them?

I never play indoor but would this be good for that?

Random thoughts.

I am not picking the stuff apart it looks great but i just wonder that.

[Ibby]

Spider silk armour? What's next, +5 Elven chainmail?

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by Ibby

Spider silk armour? What's next, +5 Elven chainmail?

No, liquid armour with integral cloaking device. It's already in prototype phase.

If they can't see you, they can't hit you, but even if they did, it wouldn't even hurt you.

[crazybagoham]

k u dont need dragon skin for airsoft lol, even regular plates is pushing it, if u cant take a hit from a pellet, maybe u shouldnt be playing....

[dontask]

Originally Posted by crazybagoham

k u dont need dragon skin for airsoft lol, even regular plates is pushing it, if u cant take a hit from a pellet, maybe u shouldnt be playing....

I don't think you should be allowed to play at all
pellet guns != airsoft guns

[NachoPuddin]

Originally Posted by dontask

I don't think you should be allowed to play at all
pellet guns != airsoft guns

for all you who don't know != is does not equal, and I have read several articles about a nano fiber being developed that is something like 20 or 30 times stronger than spider silk, and extremely light too. I read this article while up in university. Seems that they trying to create a new type of carbon string or something like that.

[roughshadow]

armor gets better and better every day. pretty soon t shirts will be the only armor we need.

[Horse]

there are only two sinple facts about this whole situation in real use:

SAPI ceramic plates are rated for 1 impact. They are doing exactly what they are supposed to do by fracturing to absorb the impact.

Dragon skin may be level III rated, but plates are IV. Traditional kevlar vests are level III and are much cheaper and just as effective against multiple impacts. Why pay more for the same level of protection?





Body Armor in Airsoft:
I am one of those crazies that puts on (I weighed it yesterday for fun) 35 lbs of gear (including my Star FNC). I put on a replica kevlar helmet, but several on my team use real. I use a CIRAS with fake plates in it as well. I used to use the ubiquitous german flak vest before that. Is it excessive for airsoft? Yes - but then again so is everything besides a pair of pants and a tshirt and a springer.

Its about what you want from the game. Some people love to be all armoed up and play that way. Others dont even use camo and love it that way.
I play as kitted up as I can (dont worry too much about authentic though) because I want to. Can I feel a bb hitting me from 5000 feet away? Prob not. But the nice thing about a CIRAS or other body armor is that you can HEAR the bb hit you with a LOUD THWACK!

So - dont knock it until you have tried it. I personally dont like having my body covered in welts. I currently have 2 broken fingernails from bb's, I would rather not have them on my ears, or back etc.

[medhatboy]

I wear a CIRAS as well, love the thing, can re-arange the pouches as needed, currently I've got it set up so I can carry 21 low-caps, radio, and a couple of smoke grenades, and it weights a ton, makes for a good cardio work out.