Rise of trade issues, what the fuck?

[Scouser]

I had a deal go south back in december/january that i took up with the mods rather than making a thread about it.

Long story short, tabs for the retaining plate in the p90 i bought were shot, resulting in me having to buy a brand new tm body 130$ later to get the p90 working properly.

All i was able to do was leave negative feedback for the guy and watch him sell more stuff to people, and hope that none of them got screwed over either.

[L473ncy]

Originally Posted by Brett-18

I know this may seem like a stupid question but can you get law enforcement involved? Say for fraud or theft of such and such over 500$ or under 500$?

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/scams-fraudes/recol-eng.htm

[NVC]

I still have a outstanding trader dispute from June where I got burned on a huge 4 digit purchase. I left negative feedback as well. I have tried to the resolve the issue before going public by giving the guy 2 extensions. First a 30days and now a 14 days and it will expire in 5 days. I have been very patient but this kind of behavior for online transactions is just disgusting.

These two last transaction has been too sour and has put me over the edge. A list of a wall of shame or sticky of names of people who are banned for fradulent transactions. Or even a separate section for trader disputes to keep track of the numbers of case's. But I know the mods work load would probably increase alot. And there would be alot of petty disputes. I am just going to stick to retailers as everyone has suggested and save myself the grief.

[surebet]

Originally Posted by Drake

There's actually quite a few more which got PM'd to me directly and its a safe bet other admins (and mods) get PMs too.






THIS is a big part of what's going on. Not entirely, there's some real problems with trades happening, but some people freak out the second things don't happen instantly. You don't have to sit on a deal for months, but give people a couple of days to ship stuff; understand people have lives and may not be sitting in front of their computer 24/7, etc.

Another problem is some people a fucking cheap. They'll haggle over $5 (for $500+ worth of stuff being shipped) and take the slowest (cheapest) shipping method with no insurance and no tracking... THEN play the victim when something goes wrong. It should almost be mandatory that shipping include a tracking number and if sub-forum did end up being created I think I'd want to see that rule added.

There's also some ambiguity with feedback, since bad trades which do get resolved rarely end with negative feedback being left: in fact if the seller adds a little "extra" to compensate for the problem, the buying will usually end up leaving Positive. Sometimes its an honest mistake on the seller's end and "making up for it" is the right thing to do -- and that deserves positive feedback. But in other cases it only masks the problem. Sure you'll get your stuff in the end, maybe with a little extra something, but you'll have to wait and fight for it. So maybe more detailed feedback is in order.

I know I've also been a lot quicker to pull AV status for repeat offenders and particularly troublesome users (HINT: if I PM you about a trade dispute, ignoring my PM is a fantastic way to guarantee you'll lose your AV status permanently. Fucking idiot.)

Well, this confirms my thoughts. Wall of text inbound in the newb tank, for the good it will do.

[DEATH2000]

Originally Posted by Brett-18

I know this may seem like a stupid question but can you get law enforcement involved? Say for fraud or theft of such and such over 500$ or under 500$?

The charge is for Theft Over $5000 not $500. Same with Fraud. Theft Under $5,000 is usually a Summary offense and results in community service and a fine in most cases for first time offenders. The Alternative Measures program also allows people to escape getting a criminal record.

[surebet]

Originally Posted by DEATH2000

The charge is for Theft Over $5000 not $500. Same with Fraud. Theft Under $5,000 is usually a Summary offense and results in community service and a fine in most cases for first time offenders. The Alternative Measures program also allows people to escape getting a criminal record.

Anything done over the postal system kicks the penalties into overdrive, since you are breaching a whole new set of laws.

[Brett-18]

So law enforcement Can be contacted and will take action? If so how useful is it in getting your product or money back? Just out of curiosity.

[DEATH2000]

Originally Posted by Brett-18

So law enforcement Can be contacted and will take action? If so how useful is it in getting your product or money back? Just out of curiosity.

Yes, you as a buyer can contact Law Enforcement if you feel that the person has fradulently taken your money or stolen your item. In terms of reclaiming your money that would have to be done in Civil Court. Police has no remedies for returning money. If the item is found by Police and you can prove its yours they can return it to you.

[surebet]

As for actual results I can't tell but in theory there shouldn't be any issues, but as all things airsoft YMMV.

It's been done in the past.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

I get the sellers

Real name
Telephone number
Residential address
personal e-mail address

before I send money. I have not had any issues as yet.

Due diligence pays off. if you don't do it, don't complain

Also.. asking.. are they issues regarding this item that you have not mentioned to me?

if you were going to rate the condition of the item 1 being NIB 5 being useful for parts only. how would you rate it?

[Dagger]

If the seller will only meet at Pacific Mall, that is another deal stopper.

[Armyissue]

ASC'S popularity has exploded and the new wave of enthusiasts is great! Web classifieds have a whole new dimension that grump old fkrs don't understand scammers vs instant gratification. Scammers will sell you a product they don't have and tell you 6-8 weeks for delivery is normal. But the high speed HD internet on my Ipod geek expects what he expects delivered tomorrow.....or sooner. The old guard here though grew up with an expectation of qualityand value, a mistrust of advertizing and a certain respect for peers. Trade Issues, dude we have a whole Cornicopia of issues and Trade is one of them. Mercy rules, calling hits, minors, honour systems, board access game access elites and noobs. Everything is louder now, its a growing pain hope the scarrs look good afterwards.

[Brett-18]

Brian i find your solution to be of brilliance, is there any chance we could sticky it? Its a perfect template for buying and selling on ASC as for ArmyIssue i completely agree with your stance especially on the topic of elitism. ASC has become more of a school playground mixture than a functional family, then again i don't know a single completely functional family, haha

[jordan7831]

just to add to that, can we have a wall of shame for people with trade disputes? Perhaps a nice shinny tag under their name as well?

[Brett-18]

Originally Posted by jordan7831

just to add to that, can we have a wall of shame for people with trade disputes? Perhaps a nice shinny tag under their name as well?

Wall of shame sounds great, but just check their trade rating for the tag part. I always check their rating before buying.