Sniper Weapons

[Hurley895]

Forums are very interesting places and you find out a lot of stuff. Thanks for the info guys.

Now to redefine my question and get some good clear answers gents:
I have $200ish to spent on a springer rifle which I will use for marksmen duty. I will likely upgrade over time. What would you buy and what would be the first thing you upgrade?

Also as a side note what weight of BB do you use? I know the heavier the better but do you use .5g?

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

I have to disagree with you though on something. With a silent BA hitting people at 150-200 feet when they do not hear the shot, is alot different than doing it after shooting 2-3 shots of a blowback pistol that reveals your position.

Not if your shooting 550fps using .43s
Trust me. You feel it.
You will flinch from the sting. Even from 200ft.

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

Anyway another thing, is that for the veteran like you that is a certified 3 Bolt action operator, that played for years, you should know better than saying to some new guys who obviously by their description wanted to play more of a SDM than a sniper, say to them that with 1000$ of upgrades you could not hit a barn, because it is obviously not true and you knew what the person meant in the first place but you (I am talking about the other "real" snipers not only you) had to tell them to sink 2000$ on a sniper or go home...which is not true.

I did not know he ment "Marksman" because he did not state "Marksman". If someone came to you and said I want to get an Assault Rifle, how would I know if hes secretly looking for an MP5 Submachine gun? Use the term correctly please, otherwise people WILL misunderstand you.

I dont tell Marksmen to sink 2000$ into a rifle. I assume people mean exactly what they say, and when they stated they wanted to play a Sniper and upgrade a "Sniper Rifle", I assume exactly that and tell them the costs required to properly accomplish that task.

Hurley 200$ isnt even enough to get a crappy AEG. Prepare to be blowing around 400-500 for even the chinsiest clone "Marksman" gun.

Even Stock TM M14's go for about 700-800.

[sarosh]

i think 200 is to low. my friend bought the vsr 10 from buyairsoft for sometihng like 220? not sure. for just the marksmen role and for fun it should be alright, but dont expect to hit anything. im not saying its a great gun but i would upgrade it with a much better barrel, like a 6.03, upgrade the spring and use heavy bbs, atleast .28's.

like i said dont expect much, but for under 400 and looking for fun here and there i think it will be alright.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Hurley895

Forums are very interesting places and you find out a lot of stuff. Thanks for the info guys.

Now to redefine my question and get some good clear answers gents:
I have $200ish to spent on a springer rifle which I will use for marksmen duty. I will likely upgrade over time. What would you buy and what would be the first thing you upgrade?

Also as a side note what weight of BB do you use? I know the heavier the better but do you use .5g?

heaviest bbs That I use is on my APS2 .30 bb (527fps), I used .40 before but .30 is more readily available.

in honesty you will find it very hard in terms of quality and fieldability in a $200 springer and we are talking about CDN here not USD the only thing I can see in that range are those Basspro springers you would be a lot happier with just a simple AEG if you play a DMR role

[sarosh]

buyairsoft has them for 199.99 right now. it says 475fps but that is incorrect, that might be with .12's but im not sure. but like i said i would upgrade the barrel and spring cause stock that that, you wont be able to hit much.

[Gerkraz]

Originally Posted by Hurley895

I have $200ish to spent on a springer rifle which I will use for marksmen duty. I will likely upgrade over time. What would you buy and what would be the first thing you upgrade?

I would keep my $200 and save it until I have more money.

You won't be able to get anything that would even be considered passable for $200.

There is no way that I'd let you be a marksman, on my fireteam, with a $200 rifle.

[Jagd]

Not if your shooting 550fps using .43s
Trust me. You feel it.
You will flinch from the sting. Even from 200ft.

Humm I was talking about your Capa when you said that for marskmanship you are using your Capa. And regarding your BA at 550 FPS with .43 I am sure that it must sting (well clearly a bleeder) but I though that the limit for a level 3 was 550 FPS but WITH 0.2 gr...not .43. With .43 man that's close to 700 FPS with ,20 no?

There is no way that I'd let you be a marksman, on my fireteam, with a $200 rifle.

That's the "Spray and pray" role that starts at $200! HEHEHE

Seriously I would say prepare to put at least around $500 minimum for SDM role and some experience too.

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by Jagdalex

Humm I was talking about your Capa when you said that for marskmanship you are using your Capa. And regarding your BA at 550 FPS with .43 I am sure that it must sting (well clearly a bleeder) but I though that the limit for a level 3 was 550 FPS but WITH 0.2 gr...not .43. With .43 man that's close to 700 FPS with ,20 no?



That's the "Spray and pray" role that starts at $200! HEHEHE

Seriously I would say prepare to put at least around $500 minimum for SDM role and some experience too.

I ment, im using .43s or even .3's (depends if im cheaping out on ammo) but im shooting up to 550fps (chronied with .2s). The heavier the weight, the more you feel the impact (physics) which is why i mentioned the BB Weight. The Chronied FPS is using .2's as is the standard for chronying rifles.

[Grudge]

I've been playing with an MP5 for the last couple of years, and recently wanted to move up to a Designated Markman role. I just laid out $650 on a use TM M14, I wouldn't have expected to pay less. But I am no were thinking that I could play a "Sniper" role with that weapon. Terminology is everything in this situation.

A $200 gun while fun to play with will not allow you to do a sniper role correctly, not even a designated markman. More like cannon fodder!

If that is all you can afford to get started then go for it, and be happy, but don't expect much from the gun and you will be buying another one when, not if, it breaks.

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by multitech

I've been playing with an MP5 for the last couple of years, and recently wanted to move up to a Designated Markman role. I just laid out $650 on a use TM M14, I wouldn't have expected to pay less. But I am no were thinking that I could play a "Sniper" role with that weapon. Terminology is everything in this situation.

A $200 gun while fun to play with will not allow you to do a sniper role correctly, not even a designated markman. More like cannon fodder!

If that is all you can afford to get started then go for it, and be happy, but don't expect much from the gun and you will be buying another one when, not if, it breaks.

As a TM M14 owner (650 is an amazing price for a nib tm m14), I have nothing but good things to say about the rifle. For an AEG, its VERY accurate, consistant, durable and quiet. With durability upgrades and a stronger spring, you can definately use the M14 as a Sniper Rifle (Provided its tuned correctly). Though its much more suited for a Marksman role.

[Grudge]

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

..(650 is an amazing price for a nib tm m14....

Yah got it from a friend! LOL

Originally Posted by DarkAngel

... Though its much more suited for a Marksman role.

That was my point, I bought the weapon for a specific role. If you want to go with a specific role you will need to pay the right amount for a quality weapon.

Now I'm not against someone buying a low price weapon to get started. I've seen lots of people buy the Kraken and have a great time. But when you get serious you will want to spend more. You don't have to (at least that's what I keep telling my wife,lol) but you will want to get something better.

My thoughts on price points are:

$0-$200 - canon fodder
$200 - $500 - grunt/assault team
$500 - $1000 - marksman
$1000 - $1500 - entry level sniping platform
$1500 - up - sniper

These are my ballpark prices for the different roles. Helps me decide how much I need to have on hand!!

[DarkAngel]

Originally Posted by multitech

Yah got it from a friend! LOL



That was my point, I bought the weapon for a specific role. If you want to go with a specific role you will need to pay the right amount for a quality weapon.

Now I'm not against someone buying a low price weapon to get started. I've seen lots of people buy the Kraken and have a great time. But when you get serious you will want to spend more. You don't have to (at least that's what I keep telling my wife,lol) but you will want to get something better.

My thoughts on price points are:

$0-$200 - canon fodder
$200 - $500 - grunt/assault team
$500 - $1000 - marksman
$1000 - $1500 - entry level sniping platform
$1500 - up - sniper

These are my ballpark prices for the different roles. Helps me decide how much I need to have on hand!!

Lies! My C8 is waaaay more than your listed "Sniper -up-" platform.

[Grudge]

$1500 - up

Means more than $1500 with no top out. It's like same as saying $1500 and up! :banghead:

If your gun is $2000 it falls in that area, if its $4000 it falls in there. Those were my ballparks and since I'll never pay more than $1500 for a gun, everything in MY list over $1500 is one bucket! :salute:

its mine.. mine ... mine, and you can't have it! (stomps foot)

[ThunderCactus]

FYI I started with a stock TM VSR G-spec
I've put less than $800 into it, so I'm right at the $1100 mark in total cost. And it shoots freakin FANTASTIC.
I don't know where you guys are getting this $1500 mark from, even an AEG sniper platform is only around $1100 without external upgrades, and IN Canada no less...

[Eldin]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

FYI I started with a stock TM VSR G-spec
I've put less than $800 into it, so I'm right at the $1100 mark in total cost. And it shoots freakin FANTASTIC.
I don't know where you guys are getting this $1500 mark from, even an AEG sniper platform is only around $1100 without external upgrades, and IN Canada no less...

I've put now about $1600 into mine including cost of gun and externals, which at the time I got a super deal on the stock vsr off a friend who moved to aeg's.

So I've put about $1250 in upgrades and my vsr-10 is a beast.