tokyo marui

[surebet]

Uh, because it does? FPS isn't the end all be all of airsoft goodness.

[yuhaoyang]

Yes but it doens't mean that fps is completely irrelevant... It still accounts for a huge porportion of the range of an AEG depending on the setup

[surebet]

No, it doesn't. Hop-up, mechbox consistency and fit tolerances make accuracy, FPS means fuck all.

[yuhaoyang]

Range... Basically right, to achieve the maximum range, the backspin effect has to keep the BB in level flight for as long as possible, and to do so, it doens't matter if you have a hop-up rubber with the grip of god, it just needs to spin the BB to a speed at which it can keep level flight... Then it's just simple logic that a faster object will fly further. Like a top spinning, too fast or too slow just screws it up.

IF FPS did mean fuck all, then it would mean that a sniper rifle with 280fps is just as good as one with a 450 fps spring

[surebet]

Still, hop-up > FPS in every way possible. High FPS actually makes the corealis effect harder to manage.

[The Saint]

FPS is one way to convey the total picture that is kinetic energy.

Physics dictates that all else being equal, the more energy you can put into something, the more work it can do. In this case, if there's a significant difference in FPS between two otherwise identically equal guns firing identical ammunition in identical environment, the gun with the higher FPS will definitely have an advantage in shorter time-on-target (less lead needed against moving target), greater energy delivered to the target (to ensure the hit is felt or heard), and likely have an advantage of greater overall range as well.

So simply claiming that FPS doesn't matter really doesn't reflect the reality of the science involved. FPS isn't the most important factor, but it also sure isn't a non-factor.

[yuhaoyang]

higher fps means that the hop-up rubber just needs to have more grip, and have a less flexy hop-up nub, then it's just up to visual adjustment. Hop-up can only do so much to control and maintain BB flight. Then the spring has to provide the extra energy to continue the flight

I'm not saying that I encourage people to be 1337 500fps players, but the amount of energy a spring can put out does matter.

[Drake]

The increase in range is NOT directly proportional to the increase in FPS, i.e., if you double your FPS you will NOT double your range. Guns do not achieve longer ranges purely with higher velocities: all projectiles (airsoft or otherwise) are subject to ballistics. In order to be able to pull off anything remotely ballistic in airsoft, you need accuracy and shot-to-shot consistency. The extra 30 ft you get from higher velocities isn't making that big a difference -- not to mention that just because your shot can get out to a given range doesn't mean you can consistently hit a given target at that range.

There are stock TM guns that have no trouble keeping up with lightly upgraded guns.

[ujiro]

It does matter but just ask stalker. He got way better and more consistent performance out of his CA M24(?) when it was firing like 350-380 (can't remember the exact velocity) than 450+. He claimed, IIRC, that he got better range and truer flight path.

Not all hop ups are the same though. Good hop up rubbers don't wear down easily. Good nubs are important too. And then the hop up unit itself has to be able to keep completely static and not shift the amount of hop from the force of the BB hitting the nub. TM's, from my experience, have a good hop up design and quality (some aftermarket ones are better, obviously). They keep their setting quite well. That is what matters. If your hop-up unit changes its setting after 100 shots, then all of a sudden your path is different.

[surebet]

True, higher FPS will drive the BB further, but what do you want, long range or long effective range?

[Crunchmeister]

If you're happy shooting a stock TM @ 280 fps, then it's probably the most reliable gun on the market. THey should last for years without needing anything but basic maintenance.

However, if you have any intentions of upgrading the internals for a higher velocity to make the gun competitive, then you're pretty much going to have to gut the gun and rebuild it from scratch or install an aftermarket reinforced mechbox.

So IMO, TM aren't worth the money. If you're mostly a collector looking to plink at home, they they're worth it. If you intend on gaming it, then I'd look elsewhere. You can get much better for about the same money.

[yuhaoyang]

I thought the initial arguement was about whether FPS increases range at all?

[pusangani]

lol also, if you are a little bitter that you spent $700+ on a TM in the days of A&A only to find that the clones have surpassed the value of Marui in recent years then you can still cling to the belief that TM is the be all and end all in the AEG market

R.I.P. Tokyo Marui

[surebet]

Not the end all be all, like I said I prefer my AR-15s to be CA, otherwise TM all the way.

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[pusangani]

TM gbb's FTW yes, but AEG's not so much