What is the Pistol Equivalent to the M4 AEG

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

I'd have to agree with the KSC glock 19 on this one.

Whats the real difference between KSC and TM. Most people have a brand preference for TM for AEG and it's obvious why, but what is it in the KSC that makes it out compete TM in the GBB category?

[The Saint]

Originally Posted by Styrak

An internal and protected hammer mechanism is more complicated and less rugged?

I consider the external hammer mechanism easier to understand and troubleshoot, because you can see it and you can reset it without disassembling deeply into the lower frame.

[Styrak]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

Whats the real difference between KSC and TM. Most people have a brand preference for TM for AEG and it's obvious why, but what is it in the KSC that makes it out compete TM in the GBB category?

KSC are just know for their Glocks because they make a ton of them and they're all good. I think?

TM only makes the G17 and the G26.

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by RacingManiac

Other than the inconsistant Hop-up, KSC Glocks(Glock 19 seems to be the popular one, as it comes stock with heavy weight frame and metal bb loading ramp) are reliable performers....

I don't think they are as popular as M4 though....Pistols in most cases are more dependent to personal tastes....also unlike the M4 which almost all the ones on the market can trace their design to some sort of TM, GBBs from different brands are completely different, even if they are of the same gun....

Inconsistant hop up on KSC Glocks is overcome by using BB heavier than 0.28g. Only side effect is increased range (when aiming a KSC Glock properly) and increased smacking power (hit Chef/Jackals on the top of the head with a 0.43g from 100ft away and left a welt.)

[RacingManiac]

so good side effect then....lol

I liked mine Glock 19 a lot when I had it, wouldn't mind getting another one down the line....

[demco11]

KSC just PWNS the GBB world.... kinda.... thats if you wants style/quality/reliability/price

[ILLusion]

Originally Posted by Azathoth

I'm shopping for a GBB, I've got the selection narrowed down to 20 some odd models split among various manufacturers (various Glock and USP variations). Trust me I've read a HELLUVA LOTTA stuff and reviews

Is there a Pistol out there that is the equivalent to the M4/M16 in terms of

• Everyone and their dog has one
• A giant selection of accessories

Is there a pistol that just outperforms everything by leaps and bounds?
A Pistol that offers a ridiculous bank for buck value?

Thanks ahead of time.

I use to be all about the KSC G19s... until their age started showing their weaknesses. Since the release of the Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 5.1, several variants I've created, countless variants I've seen from very tame and minimal to ultra-extreme... I'd have to say it's one of the best performing and most upgradeable GBBs on the market all in one package.

[Azathoth]

Originally Posted by ILLusion

I use to be all about the KSC G19s... until their age started showing their weaknesses. Since the release of the Tokyo Marui Hi-Capa 5.1, several variants I've created, countless variants I've seen from very tame and minimal to ultra-extreme... I'd have to say it's one of the best performing and most upgradeable GBBs on the market all in one package.

Can you explain these age related weaknesses? Is it the age of design itself or is it when the Pistol itself ages.

[ILLusion]

Mostly wear on the hammer/firing mechanism.

One thing i've noticed about KSC Glocks (doesn't matter if it's a 19, 17, 18C, 23F, etc), but after several years of use, they just mysteriously stop cycling properly and I've never been able to figure out specifically what part it is that causes the problem. Replacing individual components never seemed to work and I never had the time to work through combinations of parts. I only know that replacing the majority of parts in the rear has always worked, although I know that's not optimal due to the increasing rarity of these components.

The strangest part is the perceived lack of wear on any particular part....

I've seen this happen all their entire Glock line and I've had probably a dozen KSC Glocks pass through my hands with the same problem. It's gotten to the point where I can't even source the parts to do the repair anymore.


So to specifically answer your question, it's when the pistol itself ages, as these guns always work fine before the failure.

And besides that, I've found the KSC Glock hop up design to be pretty clumsy. I can only rate accuracy and performance as "average", whereas the Hi-Capas (and pretty much any Marui GBB manufactured since the MK23 NBB) would be rated at "excellent".