Gearing problems

DSFD506 · October 24th, 2007, 19:02

aight gotcha my bad then. Guess all that leaves now is why the anti reversal latch isn't doing it's job.

ILLusion · October 24th, 2007, 19:06

Check the spring strength and make sure the latch can flip unrestricted. Make sure there isn't a buildup of goopy grease in the axle holes.

yanhchan · October 24th, 2007, 19:12

I actually have a small problem right now or maybe its not a problem and I think it is.

Basically I know that I need to relieve the spring tension by firing a few times on semi. However I noticed that my piston is about 70% back even after I fire in semi, I takes about 10 semi shots to get it at the 0% or all the way in position. I timed my gears to the 1300 position and everything seems to be installed properly. It fires every shot but my only worry is that over time my spring will degrade and I'll have to change it every few games since it stays loaded for long periods of time, and the hassle of disassembling every game is something I don't really want to do.

I'm running

G&P reinforced mechbox
guarder infinate torque up gears
Classic Army High Torque motor
M120 spring.
madbull poly half tooth piston w/ systema silent piston head
Systema cylinder head
G&P air nozzle

*I'm assuming it could be the low battery power problem since I'm using a 8.4 to run this rig....

DSFD506 · October 24th, 2007, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Check the spring strength and make sure the latch can flip unrestricted. Make sure there isn't a buildup of goopy grease in the axle holes.

Yeah I've checked all that over and everything looks good. I guess i'll just buy a new one and try that.

Skruface · October 24th, 2007, 20:29

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Originally Posted by DSFD506

I read skruface mention a MODIFY anti reversal latch but who carries those ?

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Juggles is awesome to deal with.

DSFD506 · October 24th, 2007, 20:37

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Originally Posted by Skruface

www.airsoftparts.ca

Juggles is awesome to deal with.

Thanks...I may go ahead and get me one of those. Also is there any difference b/w a cylinder with the port on the back and one without it ?

ILLusion · October 25th, 2007, 04:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by yanhchan

I actually have a small problem right now or maybe its not a problem and I think it is.

Basically I know that I need to relieve the spring tension by firing a few times on semi. However I noticed that my piston is about 70% back even after I fire in semi, I takes about 10 semi shots to get it at the 0% or all the way in position. I timed my gears to the 1300 position and everything seems to be installed properly. It fires every shot but my only worry is that over time my spring will degrade and I'll have to change it every few games since it stays loaded for long periods of time, and the hassle of disassembling every game is something I don't really want to do.

I'm running

G&P reinforced mechbox
guarder infinate torque up gears
Classic Army High Torque motor
M120 spring.
madbull poly half tooth piston w/ systema silent piston head
Systema cylinder head
G&P air nozzle

*I'm assuming it could be the low battery power problem since I'm using a 8.4 to run this rig....

The amount of torque you're running is overkill and most likely the cause for it to wind so much. The system stops based on restriction against rotational momentum after the cut-off lever trips the electrical circuit.
But with that much torque, even the tiniest rotational momentum is enough to keep the piston winding.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSFD506

Thanks...I may go ahead and get me one of those. Also is there any difference b/w a cylinder with the port on the back and one without it ?

Yes, the one without the port has more air volume than the one without.
The ported one should also give a higher rate of fire.

yanhchan · October 25th, 2007, 09:39

Thanks Brian, I'll throw in my other gears from my AK to see if it solves this problem they should be Standard ratio if I remember correctly.

DSFD506 · October 25th, 2007, 17:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by ILLusion

Yes, the one without the port has more air volume than the one without.
The ported one should also give a higher rate of fire.

Alright...I have torque up gears now but i'm gonna switch them out for high speed gears instead. So I guess I should stick with the ported cylinder I have now ?

ILLusion · October 25th, 2007, 21:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by DSFD506

Alright...I have torque up gears now but i'm gonna switch them out for high speed gears instead. So I guess I should stick with the ported cylinder I have now ?

That totally depends on the length of your inner barrel and doesn't really have anything at all to do with what your gearset is or what your ROF goals are.

The ROF output is just a by-product of the primary purpose of the port, which is to affect air volume.

DSFD506 · October 25th, 2007, 21:27

Gotcha. I just have the stock 363mm barrel. I'll just stick with the same cylinder when I change the gears and piston.

hutch1970 · October 30th, 2007, 11:50

Just a thought.Could the little nub on the sector gear in combo w/ tappet plate be the problem? It's mentioned that a diffrent brand of gears are being used.Kind of like the sector gear in the CA25 w/ the large timing nub w/ longer stroke piston.Whoops-noticed just now a2nd page.Hope you find your solution.

ILLusion · October 30th, 2007, 14:27

That shouldn't affect the cycle in a negative manner.

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October 24th, 2007, 19:06	#17
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	Check the spring strength and make sure the latch can flip unrestricted. Make sure there isn't a buildup of goopy grease in the axle holes. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

October 24th, 2007, 19:12	#18
yanhchan Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scarborough/Richmond Hill ON	I actually have a small problem right now or maybe its not a problem and I think it is. Basically I know that I need to relieve the spring tension by firing a few times on semi. However I noticed that my piston is about 70% back even after I fire in semi, I takes about 10 semi shots to get it at the 0% or all the way in position. I timed my gears to the 1300 position and everything seems to be installed properly. It fires every shot but my only worry is that over time my spring will degrade and I'll have to change it every few games since it stays loaded for long periods of time, and the hassle of disassembling every game is something I don't really want to do. I'm running G&P reinforced mechbox guarder infinate torque up gears Classic Army High Torque motor M120 spring. madbull poly half tooth piston w/ systema silent piston head Systema cylinder head G&P air nozzle I'm assuming it could be the low battery power problem since I'm using a 8.4 to run this rig.... __________________ YANHCHAN'S AIRSMITHING: AEG repair/Tune up/Upgrades V2/V3 mechboxes, rewiring/reconnecting. Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country ~John F. Kennedy Last edited by yanhchan; October 24th, 2007 at 19:19..*

October 25th, 2007, 09:39	#23
yanhchan Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Scarborough/Richmond Hill ON	Thanks Brian, I'll throw in my other gears from my AK to see if it solves this problem they should be Standard ratio if I remember correctly. __________________ YANHCHAN'S AIRSMITHING: AEG repair/Tune up/Upgrades V2/V3 mechboxes, rewiring/reconnecting. Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country ~John F. Kennedy

October 24th, 2007, 19:02	#16
DSFD506 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	aight gotcha my bad then. Guess all that leaves now is why the anti reversal latch isn't doing it's job.

October 25th, 2007, 21:27	#26
DSFD506 Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	Gotcha. I just have the stock 363mm barrel. I'll just stick with the same cylinder when I change the gears and piston.

October 30th, 2007, 11:50	#27
hutch1970 Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Texas, USA	Just a thought.Could the little nub on the sector gear in combo w/ tappet plate be the problem? It's mentioned that a diffrent brand of gears are being used.Kind of like the sector gear in the CA25 w/ the large timing nub w/ longer stroke piston.Whoops-noticed just now a2nd page.Hope you find your solution. Last edited by hutch1970; October 30th, 2007 at 11:55..

October 30th, 2007, 14:27	#28
ILLusion GBB Whisperer Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto	That shouldn't affect the cycle in a negative manner. __________________ *Advanced Airsoft Armaments and Enhancements* Quick to the gun, sure of your grip. Quick to the threat, sure of your shot. Diligentia, Vis, Celeritas Accuracy, Power, Speed

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