Smoke Grenades

Kos-Mos · July 24th, 2007, 22:27

lol

I checked around to ge the materials to make one... very hard to get here in Canada. Down in the states, it would just be an affair of 15 min. Not worth the time AND MONEY for the result it gives. Plus the risk of it taking fire...

Hades · July 24th, 2007, 22:29

Honestly just stick with the ones from Kaboom or the distress ones. I know there are some people out there who think they are basement alchemists but not worth the risk.

Gryphon · July 25th, 2007, 01:09

Not to mention, as I've said in numerous other threads, making your own fireworks is illegal.

surebet · July 25th, 2007, 01:32

You know, despite the fact that I have found my professionnal passion, you sir, have the coolest job ever.

Gryphon · July 25th, 2007, 03:46

Yep, but it took me a decade of blood, sweat, and tears to get it! Honestly though if you've found your professional passion there's nothing better. It's like they say, "Find a job doing what you love and you'll never work again."

Don't think my job is all peaches and cream BTW. Hours, even days of setup fusing shells, schlepping heavy steel mortar racks strapped with high density polyethylene guns (and trust me, the 'high density' title is well earned), plugging electric matches, for ten to twenty minutes of fun. And then you get to clean up!

Dustball · July 25th, 2007, 07:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kos-Mos

lol

I checked around to ge the materials to make one... very hard to get here in Canada. Down in the states, it would just be an affair of 15 min. Not worth the time AND MONEY for the result it gives. Plus the risk of it taking fire...

A couple years ago I phoned some garden shop here in Calgary and asked the guy if he had any potassium nitrate, he told me he did. I went down to get some of it, told the guy it was for a science project, and he gave me 5 pounds of it for FREE. I still have lot's of it left.

Also you don't need to cook the stuff, you can just make a 60/40 mix of KNO3 and sugar respectively, stick a fuse-or some other way of lighting it-into the mix, and light it up.

You can also make fuses by taking some of your 60/40 mix, throw in some water until you have a nice kinda pasty crap, and then soak some wool in it. Let it dry over night, and you'll have a nice cheap fuse.

Dustin

White_knight · July 26th, 2007, 20:33

ya one day i was working, and two five pound bags of PN literally fell of the back of a truck. this guy was hauling a major load of the stuff to his winery, he took the turn to fast a two bags fell off. he didnt notice me trying stop him waving a big red stop sign.

surebet · July 26th, 2007, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gryphon

Yep, but it took me a decade of blood, sweat, and tears to get it! Honestly though if you've found your professional passion there's nothing better. It's like they say, "Find a job doing what you love and you'll never work again."

Don't think my job is all peaches and cream BTW. Hours, even days of setup fusing shells, schlepping heavy steel mortar racks strapped with high density polyethylene guns (and trust me, the 'high density' title is well earned), plugging electric matches, for ten to twenty minutes of fun. And then you get to clean up!

But... but... you get paid to blow shit up in an awe inspiring fashion!

krap101 · July 26th, 2007, 21:17

I've made my own, and the first time i coulda gotten pretty hurt, and the 2nd time (a couple days ago) i put it into a pvc tube, and it went alot further than i thought it was. The way to make it so it doesnt burn as hot/slower is you add baking soda. The baking soda releases carbon dioxide when it is burned, and reduces the amount of oxygen therefore "limiting a reactant". The kno3 works as a oxidizer. I haven't taken ap chem yet (within the next 2 years) but yes the sugar burns very hot.

going back to my first experiment, i was stupid enough to use a glass jar to hold the liquid, but i didn't how how easily lightable it was. It doesnt light from the heat, but anything close to a spark lights it.

the online formula is normally 60/40 pno3 to sugar (by volume). i've read that if you add sulfur it'll make more smoke or something, but i've tried both, and havent done enough of it to see the difference. the more sugar you put the more smoke, and more kno3 the faster reaction. I've tried doing the equation for it, and i found the weights for a complete reaction, but i forgot it. i think it was like 3/1 sugar to kno3. One of the products (from my equation) was KNO, which i'm pretty sure is poisonous in some way or another.

For colored smoke, you can add rit dye or powdered dye for dying t-shirts. I've only tried this once so far, but you need to add the dye after your done heating it or the dye will evaporate while your cooking it, and it wont color your smoke.

If your going to do this, it makes alot more smoke when you melt it together, because it probably makes the stuff more concentrated with less air pockets.

And don't use anything glass, or anything that will break under pressure. I chose pvc because it will melt instead of shatter, and imo its somewhat safer.

the smoke doesn't rise more than 50 ft visibly. My yard is surrounded by trees, and it doesn't really rise more than the trees.

Oh and if you are going to do this, Be Safe. Keep a couple containers of baking soda around, or a fire extinguisher. I chose baking soda, because it works pretty well, and you can get it cheap.

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July 24th, 2007, 22:29	#17
Hades Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Home	Honestly just stick with the ones from Kaboom or the distress ones. I know there are some people out there who think they are basement alchemists but not worth the risk. __________________ If I was banging all of them, I'd be a manwhore. At the moment, I'm just an opportunist.

July 25th, 2007, 01:32	#19
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	You know, despite the fact that I have found my professionnal passion, you sir, have the coolest job ever. __________________ Annoyingly good with numbers Stop American Censorship

July 25th, 2007, 03:46	#20
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	Yep, but it took me a decade of blood, sweat, and tears to get it! Honestly though if you've found your professional passion there's nothing better. It's like they say, "Find a job doing what you love and you'll never work again." Don't think my job is all peaches and cream BTW. Hours, even days of setup fusing shells, schlepping heavy steel mortar racks strapped with high density polyethylene guns (and trust me, the 'high density' title is well earned), plugging electric matches, for ten to twenty minutes of fun. And then you get to clean up! Last edited by Gryphon; July 25th, 2007 at 03:50..

July 24th, 2007, 22:27	#16
Kos-Mos Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Lévis (QC)	lol I checked around to ge the materials to make one... very hard to get here in Canada. Down in the states, it would just be an affair of 15 min. Not worth the time AND MONEY for the result it gives. Plus the risk of it taking fire...

July 25th, 2007, 01:09	#18
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	Not to mention, as I've said in numerous other threads, making your own fireworks is illegal.

July 26th, 2007, 20:33	#22
White_knight Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006	ya one day i was working, and two five pound bags of PN literally fell of the back of a truck. this guy was hauling a major load of the stuff to his winery, he took the turn to fast a two bags fell off. he didnt notice me trying stop him waving a big red stop sign. __________________ Burnaby / Vancouver area Age verifier

July 26th, 2007, 21:17	#24
krap101 Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Roscoe, IL USA	I've made my own, and the first time i coulda gotten pretty hurt, and the 2nd time (a couple days ago) i put it into a pvc tube, and it went alot further than i thought it was. The way to make it so it doesnt burn as hot/slower is you add baking soda. The baking soda releases carbon dioxide when it is burned, and reduces the amount of oxygen therefore "limiting a reactant". The kno3 works as a oxidizer. I haven't taken ap chem yet (within the next 2 years) but yes the sugar burns very hot. going back to my first experiment, i was stupid enough to use a glass jar to hold the liquid, but i didn't how how easily lightable it was. It doesnt light from the heat, but anything close to a spark lights it. the online formula is normally 60/40 pno3 to sugar (by volume). i've read that if you add sulfur it'll make more smoke or something, but i've tried both, and havent done enough of it to see the difference. the more sugar you put the more smoke, and more kno3 the faster reaction. I've tried doing the equation for it, and i found the weights for a complete reaction, but i forgot it. i think it was like 3/1 sugar to kno3. One of the products (from my equation) was KNO, which i'm pretty sure is poisonous in some way or another. For colored smoke, you can add rit dye or powdered dye for dying t-shirts. I've only tried this once so far, but you need to add the dye after your done heating it or the dye will evaporate while your cooking it, and it wont color your smoke. If your going to do this, it makes alot more smoke when you melt it together, because it probably makes the stuff more concentrated with less air pockets. And don't use anything glass, or anything that will break under pressure. I chose pvc because it will melt instead of shatter, and imo its somewhat safer. the smoke doesn't rise more than 50 ft visibly. My yard is surrounded by trees, and it doesn't really rise more than the trees. Oh and if you are going to do this, Be Safe. Keep a couple containers of baking soda around, or a fire extinguisher. I chose baking soda, because it works pretty well, and you can get it cheap.

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