Pistol Reload Methods?

[Greylocks]

"who has attempted/currently uses the new york reload in a match"

What does a match mean to you? And Gryphon, this is exactly the important part of my answer you should read before flaming; "In a real gun match, if that's what you mean, it would go against a whole truckload of common-sense safety rules."

I stand by my comment.

[Gryphon]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

What does a match mean to you?

Same thing it does to Merriam Webster's Online:

3 a : a contest between two or more parties <a golf match> <a soccer match> <a shouting match> b : a contest (as in tennis or volleyball) completed when one player or side wins a specified number of sets or games

Sure sounds like airsoft fits that description to me.

And Gryphon, this is exactly the important part of my answer you should read before flaming; "In a real gun match, if that's what you mean, it would go against a whole truckload of common-sense safety rules."

I stand by my comment.

That's fine. Conversely had you read MY initial post, you'll see the issue I raised was not the comment you made but your lack of justification, and furthermore the blatant ridiculousness of claiming to be correct and denying any rationale as to why you were. You should know by now I'll jump all over you for that BS hypocricy because you - of all people - demand so vehemently that others search for their information, yet you refuse to provide any of it yourself.

[Greylocks]

Cool, be my guest. It seems to keep you busy and happy.

[Lakonian]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Cool, be my guest. It seems to keep you busy and happy.

Hey, why don't ya both cool off? It was a misunderstanding; stop playing the "heavier dick" game.

[Ducky]

Originally Posted by Gryphon

That's fine. Conversely had you read MY initial post, you'll see the issue I raised was not the comment you made but your lack of justification, and furthermore the blatant ridiculousness of claiming to be correct and denying any rationale as to why you were. You should know by now I'll jump all over you for that BS hypocricy because you - of all people - demand so vehemently that others search for their information, yet you refuse to provide any of it yourself.

Agree with Gryphon on this one forsure. I suggest you get a puppy or something greylocks maybe that will help.

[Flint]

Here the best way I've seen to reload!

YouTube - How to reload your pistol like an action hero

[Shrike]

Originally Posted by Flint

Here the best way I've seen to reload!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9SFfnqMGQ

LOL PSHHHAW who do you think taught him that trick?

Originally Posted by kos

Hey, why don't ya both cool off? It was a misunderstanding; stop playing the "heavier dick" game.

agreed....everyone knows the "thickest dick" game is better.

one gun, reload new mag and hold the empty one with the same hand. No one is about to toss or drop a +$300 gun. Even switching handguns in a firefight, one wrong move, and you send your gun accross the room...lanyard or not, no one wants their gun to hit the concrete floor.

[Spas-Tick22]

I guess I should clarify this point. This is in referance to airsoft, not a real steel match, in which case I would just reload the bugger The main reason im asking is to know if there is any loss in combat effectiveness from just grabbing another gun while holstering the 1st one

1)1st gun runs out of ammo
2)swap gun from shooting hand to free hand
3)grab 2nd pistol
4)holster dry gun while continuing to shoot the new one
5)repeat for as many pistols are avalible

that is the process i have personally used in a few games, im just asking if this variant of the NY reload is lacking from say a classic, tactical, or for that matter any other form of reloading. Also i am inquireing if anyother individules use this method?

[ILLusion]

Although I have personally used this "New York" method at times, I find that I am doing that during the most un-tactical situations possible... ie, running straight in to a hot zone with guns blazing.

If I have time to duck behind cover as I move, then I have time to do a reload.

[MadMax]

I regularly play dual pistols, but not with NY reloading in mind. However, there are some issues common to both shooting styles:

-common mags are very handy between multiple guns
-common guns make for less acclimitization between guns (i.e. getting used to sight picture, grip etc)
-when holstered, guns are heavy compared to mags

There are other concerns like speed of holstering which can be pretty annoying. With dual pistols, I don't find myself putting a gun away in a hurry so it's okay that my holsters aren't rigid kydex type holsters. I would guess that NY reloading with several pistols would require holsters which stay open for rapid holstering. You may be hard pressed (and broke) procuring high end holsters for multiple pistols. Cheap out on holsters and you'll find yourself fumbling drawing and putting away your guns. Lots of guns in cheap holsters also means a higher chance of losing a gun and more heavy boingy bits which may shift around when sprinting.

If you plink away at targets at extreme range, you usually have plenty of time to swap mags. If you can't settle a close engagement with your first mag and can't prioritize ducking for cover to swap mags, you're probably going to be shot pretty soon standing in the open bringing the next gun to bear. Shooting from cover almost always provides an ample opportunity to swap a mag.

[Greylocks]

Originally Posted by Spas-Tick22

I guess I should clarify this point. This is in referance to airsoft, not a real steel match, in which case I would just reload the bugger The main reason im asking is to know if there is any loss in combat effectiveness from just grabbing another gun while holstering the 1st one

1)1st gun runs out of ammo
2)swap gun from shooting hand to free hand
3)grab 2nd pistol
4)holster dry gun while continuing to shoot the new one
5)repeat for as many pistols are avalible

that is the process i have personally used in a few games, im just asking if this variant of the NY reload is lacking from say a classic, tactical, or for that matter any other form of reloading. Also i am inquireing if anyother individules use this method?

Apart from the incredible waste of time? It's most likely from some movie-maker's imagination. That technique is not done. Swapping mags is MUCH faster.

If you happen to have two handguns (primary and backup) of usually the same caliber, one gets dropped and the other gets drawn. It would still make no sense since you are technically losing or damaging a gun. No, you dont take the time to holster it. You drop it, and at that point it probably does not matter where it's dropped.
Nobody ever teaches you to let go of your gun unless it's that or die. And when your life is on the line, you dont care about gun damage. Mags can be replaced, the gun... not so easy.

So no, apart from extreme cases, this is not based on any reality. Practically it's an enormous waste of time.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Apart from the incredible waste of time? It's most likely from some movie-maker's imagination. That technique is not done. Swapping mags is MUCH faster.

If you happen to have two handguns (primary and backup) of usually the same caliber, one gets dropped and the other gets drawn. It would still make no sense since you are technically losing or damaging a gun. No, you dont take the time to holster it. You drop it, and at that point it probably does not matter where it's dropped.
Nobody ever teaches you to let go of your gun unless it's that or die. And when your life is on the line, you dont care about gun damage. Mags can be replaced, the gun... not so easy.

So no, apart from extreme cases, this is not based on any reality. Practically it's an enormous waste of time.

agreed.
a huge waste of time. Not to mention your hauling around extra weight, but holstering a weapon isnt exactly fast. Since its not a western, its not a simple holster. There is the cover latch or retention system, not to mention, you need to latch or close the holster once the gun is in so it doesnt pop out seconds later.
Many people also need to look when they holster a gun. Since many people carry alot of gear, you gotta watch where you are putting it, not to mention, you miss the holster by just a bit, or hit the end of the gun on the lip of the holster, you gotta sort that out.

Should also point out, that when a gun is empty, the slide is back, and makes for even more akward holstering.

It may be cool in a john woo movie, but in reality, people dont shoot one handed.

[MadMax]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Apart from the incredible waste of time? It's most likely from some movie-maker's imagination. That technique is not done. Swapping mags is MUCH faster.

If you happen to have two handguns (primary and backup) of usually the same caliber, one gets dropped and the other gets drawn. It would still make no sense since you are technically losing or damaging a gun. No, you dont take the time to holster it. You drop it, and at that point it probably does not matter where it's dropped.
Nobody ever teaches you to let go of your gun unless it's that or die. And when your life is on the line, you dont care about gun damage. Mags can be replaced, the gun... not so easy.

So no, apart from extreme cases, this is not based on any reality. Practically it's an enormous waste of time.

NY reload if it was once practical is probably from the bygone revolver era. Changing out bullets from a six shooter is slow even with speed loaders, unless you're somebody working shooting shows for S&W. It certainly makes sense for cap and ball shooters, but with self loading semi autos, swapping mags is nearly as fast as drawing another gun if you don't plan to reholster the empty one.

[Combine]

"Here the best way I've seen to reload!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NT9SFfnqMGQ"

Damn that was hilarious!

Back on topic, if your really REALLY out of time and need to reload fast, do as Greylocks says, don't break a gun because you need to throw it away, go for the new mag, drop the mag in the gun and let it hit the floor, then quickly reload with the other hand. You may damage your mag, but thats better than breaking a gun, and the mag should be made of metal so on dirt or grass it wouldn't damage it at all.