Academy M4A1, is it any good?

[manchovie]

wtf?

[yanhchan]

I belive it translates to..."haha We took a pic of the bottom of the grip...and the foreign devils think this text is important"

you wouldnt catch me anywhere near one of those.

[HaZarD SFD]

Simple Scenario.. Academy M4A1 = Poop

some of this stuff looks more like softair.

[barefoot]

please, if you have any reliable info on the gun, just post your reviews not conjectures.

thanks.

[Greylocks]

If that bottom grip is any indication, they made too many shortcuts. Where is the motor seating adjustment, for example?

That's not conjecture, that's based on having seen good guns and worked on them.

If you dislike the fact that Academy make poor products, go ahead and buy them anyway. If you dislike our replies, you have the right to find a forum that will say yes to all you ask.

If, furthermore, you are pushing this product because the website says (I think) it's made in the Philippines... sorry. You are not convincing anyone who is used to anything decent.

[thephenom]

Originally Posted by barefoot

Comparison between Academy M4A1 and TM M4A1 (courtesy of pyromaster who posted this in ACM Games Review Forum):

Here are the advantages & disadvantages of this gun as compared to TM.

ACADEMY M4A1 vs TM M4A1

PROS:
1. sturdy gearbox
2. steel gears
3. strong spring ( I'll say PDI170)
4. markings are accurate
5. japan-made motor
6. good adjustable stock (mas ok ang plastic material)
7. sturdier upper reciever ears
8. metal bushing
9. ported piston head
10. relax switch
11. bolt opens when c*cked (just like the TM's)
12. feels almost like a TM (sometimes better)

CONS:
1. Mag is not interchangeable to other hi-end brands
2. hop-up assembly is not compatible to any other hiend brands
3. hop-up packing doesnt have a (straight tube lang)
4. uses an mp5 air nossle instead of an m4 nossle **
5. cylinder is a bit smaller (may ishe-shave ka pang konti kung maglalagay ka ng alum cylinder head)
6. end of the barrel (connected to the hop-up assembly) is encased in plastic so replacing the barrel cannot be done not unless you have the barrel custom-made (ex. edgi barrels) or you replace the whole hop-up assembly.


**not sure if this is a con

Wow, so the stock academy shoots over 420fps......if that is true, this gun probably won't last all that long, well at least the gearbox and other internals won't last that long. (unless this gearbox is godlike)

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

If that bottom grip is any indication, they made too many shortcuts. Where is the motor seating adjustment, for example?

That's not conjecture, that's based on having seen good guns and worked on them.

We'll, im not an expert in aeg's. But the fact that you haven't found the motor seating adjustment where you thought it should be, does not follow that the maker "made too many shortcuts", thus making the gun inferior in quality. Unless, you have actually examined the gun in question inside out or have seen and known the possibilities of all extant "good" guns in your lifetime, your judgment on academy m4a1 remains nothing but a conjecture.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

If you dislike the fact that Academy make poor products, go ahead and buy them anyway. If you dislike our replies, you have the right to find a forum that will say yes to all you ask.

Sir, again you're making a conclusion based on assumption. Whether or not Academy makes poor aeg products is still a matter that needs to be established by proof. No, I didn't dislike you're replies. neither did i want a "yes" to my questions. All I needed were answers supported by sufficient knowledge of facts providing for a sound and substantial basis for an intelligent conclusion.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

If, furthermore, you are pushing this product because the website says (I think) it's made in the Philippines... sorry. You are not convincing anyone who is used to anything decent.

Who makes the product and where it is made is not at issue here. Whether or not it is made in the Philippines is irrelevant to the questions i am raising.

Sorry, with your low blow you are not convincing anyone that the product you have denigrated is less decent than the rest of hi-end aeg's.

I love my CA M15A4 and ICS M4A1, and i'm not trying to make a pitch for Academy M4A1. As I said, I am not an AEG quality expert. All i was asking for was real information about Academy M4A1, for me to be able to know if it deserves to be an addition to the babies i have. But see what i got.

[barefoot]

By the way, I was told that Academy is a korean eag manufacturing firm. Labor outsourcing made it locate its factory in the Philippines.

[Greylocks]

Listen... I've opened up AEG's before, read reviews, checked specs.

The quoted review (with details) shows a poorly thought out product and makes claims that are doubtful to anyone with experience. And the non-compatibility of parts is a royal pain.
The detailed pictures show equally doubtful setups, and bad machining.

You asked for knowledge based from experience, you got it. If you ask, and expect, anyone in Canada to make a review of a gun from a company that nobody bothers to import unless it's a special request... you wont get an answer.

No, I dont really feel like having one imported, and paying for it, just to make you happy. I've handled other Academy products before and they universally suck.

There you go, do with this as you will or go ask on a forum where folks are more likely to have the product.

[Goldman]

I would think the Academy L85 is proof of Academy's AEG quality....

Also, assuming the Academy M4 uses a ver 2. gearbox, like marui's there isn't anywhere else for a motor height adjustment screw to be.

Also, something does not look right so far as that split mechbox goes.... Given Academy's history (read: L85), and a few "features" of that M4 (exterior mag screws, proprietary mag design etc) leads me to beleive this "AEG" is going to be of low quality, and small release.

[thephenom]

You're not going to get much response here. Barely anyone here has Academy AEG, though I've seen one Academy L85 on sale here once.

So in another word, if you want cold hard facts from people who have used it before, you're out of luck. If you want educated guess or assumptions, that's all you'll get here since no one has detail info on these 2nd (errr 3rd tier) manufactuer.

[swatt13]

it looks very reminicent of a larger version of the tm boys m4. but if its got the the pros barefoot listed, its ounds ok, i wonder if you could swap out for a tm body and barrel and hop up. but if you were going to do that, you might as well buy an src or tm.

[barefoot]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Listen... I've opened up AEG's before, read reviews, checked specs

But you have never actually opened up, dissected Academy m4A1, read reviews, much less look into into it before.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

The quoted review (with details) shows a poorly thought out product and makes claims that are doubtful to anyone with experience. And the non-compatibility of parts is a royal pain.
The detailed pictures show equally doubtful setups, and bad machining

Look, you judge the gun based on the pictures, and accused someone of making doubious claims just because his reviews based on his actual experience of THE gun does not sit well with your guessworks based on your lack of knowledge of said gun.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

You asked for knowledge based from experience, you got it. If you ask, and expect, anyone in Canada to make a review of a gun from a company that nobody bothers to import unless it's a special request... you wont get an answer.

I don't question your experience when it comes to the guns you actually know of. But please know your own limits. You admitted that nobody in Canada bothers to import Academy M4A1 except on certain ocassions, for which reason, you said, i could expect no answer to my questions. And based on your position, i'm quite certain you're no exception. You have not actually seen, hold, or dissected an Academy M4A1. But here you are giving an authoritative, nay arrogant, response to an innocent query. Funny.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

No, I dont really feel like having one imported, and paying for it, just to make you happy. I've handled other Academy products before and they universally suck.

Pardon me, but i think you have to review your logic. If memory serves me right, my logic teacher taught me that a statement like your comment was a classic example of sweeping generalization. Just because you've had the chance of working on other Academy products before, you're now making a definitive judgment (with authoritative presumptiousness) of a gun you've never known of in your life. Claiming that Academy products "universally" sucks at the same time admitting that you have handled "other", NOT ALL, Academy products, is one monumental fallacy.

Originally Posted by Greylocks

There you go, do with this as you will or go ask on a forum where folks are more likely to have the product.

Please don't tell me where to go. This is a free airsoft forum.

I'm free to confess my ignorance of the product and seek enlightenment, and you're free to exhibit your pretended knowledge, - here and now. Honest ignorance is given as much previlege to express itself as authoritative arrogance is - in this forum.

By no stretch of the imagination was i asking you or anybody else to spend money for Academy M4A1. Yes, i'd be happy if you import and pay for the gun. I'd be happy not for my own sake but for yours.

Having the gun for a specimen will be good for you, in a way. By acquiring knowledge of the gun based on actual observation, you'd be able to tell it what it is, good or bad, based on hard facts, not on fancy and imagination. A knowledge gain is an ignorance loss. Having one, you'd be speaking from actual experience and knowledge, not from a pretended one.

There you go, only when you possess actual, specific knowledge of Academy M4A1 will you be in the right position to say, "YES, THE GUN SUCKS!"

To disabuse some malicious thoughts, i'm in no way encouraging the readers who happen to read this thread to go buy an Academy M4A1. I have no idea of the gun. This is the reason i'm requesting posters in the know (not those who presume they know) to share their actual experiences with the gun to guide newbies in forming a sound judgment if said gun is good or not, and in making a decision if it deserves their money's worth.

I further sayeth naught.