Anything wrong with keeping a gbb mag loaded w/ bbs and no gas..

[Greylocks]

Ok, you took a course and you are 26. I gave courses and I practiced for about 26 years... how much real practice do you have? A few years? With how many types of guns? Handguns? Rifles? Blackpowder? Others?

With practice you learn what works, what does not work, and you get the benefit of having seen it happen.

We're talking about airsoft here, totally different animal, enormous quality differences, and it's about magazines not guns.

Real guns; magazines are to be empty, bolt/action/slide/hammer springs are to be kept decompressed while stored. That is the standard procedure. Anything else is taking a chance you cant afford to take in real life.

Again, if the gun or airsoft is to be used that day or within hours, this is not even a problem unless the weather is extreme. Weeks and months? No.

A gassed-up mag full of BB in Florida heat left alone for days? No. That takes no gunsmithing course to understand, it only takes going to school long enough to follow a Physics course.

[Armedpacifist]

I'm not 26, I just entered a random historical date.

Lets see I've been an Army Weapons technician for around 5 years now, I've handled everything from 9mm pistols to the 84 MM Carl Gustav anti-tank rocket launcher, with some limited experience on the LAV weapon system and a bit of work on artillery, I've taken 3 different very lengthy courses where I learned what I know now and I keep on hand several maintenance books.

I wasn't talking about airsoft, I was talking about real steel, obviously.

I really don't care how long you've been at it, when you say something that is obviously wrong I'm going to correct you.

[Greylocks]

Fair enough, 5 years experience. Good for you. Why did you put an incorrect age information in your profile then?
What I said applied to the original question relating to airsoft magazines.

What I said about real guns I stand by. Please describe the magazine fed handgun where the manual recommends that keeping it cocked and locked with a full magazine under tension during storage is standard procedure.

Even better, feel free to provide a link to said manual.

Or to keep it simple; if you disagree, then agree to disagree. But at least stay on topic.

[Armedpacifist]

That wasn't what we were discussing, in fact I even said "god knows why you would want to do it", but that it would cause less damage keeping it cocked then if you made it safe and fired off the action once unloaded.

As for the fake age, I really don't think it's any of your business what my birthday is and I don't care you have a problem with my putting a fake age on. I'm of legal voting and drinking age, that's all anyone needs to know.

[Greylocks]

It's a credibility factor, that's all.

[Gryphon]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

It's a credibility factor, that's all.

I'm glad you brought that up. Claims of vast experience mean squat unless you can substantiate them. So tell us, where and for whom did you teach gunsmithing, and what was your curriculum?

[CDN_Stalker]

Beep-Beep-Beep! Oh, the popcorn is ready, brb. :lol:

[Greylocks]

Late 70's (correction), RA Gun Club, smithing on S&W, Colt, Browning, CZ, High Standard, Ruger, Mauser action rifles, Lee-Enfield action rifles, H&K products, muzzle-loaders, cap-and-ball, small artillery pieces (under 6-pounders).
Upgrades, reloading, maintenance, repairs, rebuilds.
Position? Chief Training Officer, and one of the very few licensing officers back then.

Happy? How about you?

Forgot a few other brands; Walther, and Luger. There's more but the list is too long.

[Armedpacifist]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

It's a credibility factor, that's all.

I've been around since early 2003, I've even met you when I went to Ottawa...

That doesn't mean I have to share any of my information with you.

[lt_poncho]

AEG springs are made of steel - unless it's bent or cracked, whether its compressed or not isn't going to make a difference - however minute.

Some of the GBB springs are made out of tin, or a cheaper mixed material, so they tend to get fucked up easier. KSC Japan Glock mag springs seem to hold up to being loaded over long periods.

Keep a little gas in the mags when you store them. Protects the seals/o-rings.

Ding dong - ah Pizza's here...

A gassed-up mag full of BB in Florida heat left alone for days? No. That takes no gunsmithing course to understand, it only takes going to school long enough to follow a Physics course.

Good fucking lord what in the nine hells...Grey - have you been left alone in the Florida heat for days?

[Kedirkin]

Originally Posted by Dracheous

And anyone that keeps their real steel mags fully loaded and ready to go. I want your name and address, because thats unsafe storage!

Originally Posted by Greylocks

For a whole lot of legal and mechanical reasons; do not ever leave a magazine loaded unless you are going to shoot it in the next little while.

If you want to say that loaded magazines shouldn't be stored for mechanical, practical or other such considerations, fine. However, don't say it's illegal in Canada because it's not.

So long as the magazine is not in the firearm, i.e. loaded into the magazine well, the firearm itself is considered to be unloaded. Normal safe storage rules, as defined by the Act, apply to all ammunition regardless of whether it is in a box, a plastic baggie or a magazine.

Don't invoke the law to spread misinformation.

If you want to get involved in a pissing match over who knows more about what, great, but leave the Act out of it.

Originally Posted by Luckyorwhat

He was taught by a former police officer, and was told in no uncertain terms that it was absolutely illegal to use a firearm in self defence.

Bleh, cops say that kind of shit for the same reason everyone else does. They like to sound like they know stuff. A lot of people will make up shit and act like they know things, even when they don't know the legislation.

Perfect example, ask the average person on the street what the "legal" length of a knife is in Canada. Most will say that it's six inches, despite the fact that no such law exists in Canada.

KD

[Greylocks]

Legal reasons; check the latest versions of the PAL courses. If you think policies about airsoft are anal, those about real guns are worse.

The (real) pistol must be; trigger-locked, magazine removed, ammo removed from magazine, magazine stored in the same locked container as the handgun (but not in it), ammo stored elsewhere.
So it's partly the laws (for simplicity) and mostly the policies. Seems that every time something is said here, a full novel must be written.

Mechanical reasons; GBB mags are not made to the same standards as real guns. Fact.

Physics; depending on how long you keep a GBB mag loaded and (fully) charged, the weather does matter. If the temperature is hot, like in Florida, you DO increase the internal pressure of the magazine. The lower quality spring compressed by the BBs will, over time, become weaker. Fact.

That's as simple as it gets. Now the only thing anyone has to decide is if they care to follow simple maintenance procedures or not.

[frankiet]

Although I do not own a GBB, I can make a comment on metal and springs. I am not an expert, but a Mechanical Engineering degree helps out a little bit.

If what It_poncho states is correct, and the springs in GBBs are tin, then it would not be beneficial to keep them loaded with BBs. Tin, like steel, and all metals for that matter, have certain physical properties. One such property which makes them distinct is its malleability. This is what allows metals to be worked with so readily for bending, especially under heat. Every time a spring is compressed, this malleability will make the spring not fully expand again. This is happening at an atomic level, and would not be visible for possibly thousands of cycles, depending on the material. The longer the spring is compressed, the more the spring "wants" to stay in that position.

Now with the example of the WWII mag found still functioning. That's no surprise. If it was indeed a steel spring, they are resilient. Tin on the other hand is much more malleable than steel, and would be affected far greater than steel. So the moral of today's story is that storing a magazine loaded, from a physics point of view, should be avoided. However, I have no idea how long the magazine should stay loaded before there is any noticable effects.

Bottom line, Greylocks is correct from a firearms safety point of view, and a scientific point of view.

[Gryphon]

I don't know how they do things in Quebec because I know they have a habit of, shall we say, infusing their own brand of BS to the already restrictive federal legislation. However that would apply to one province only and blanket statements that apply there are invalid for the rest of the country. Having said that...

Originally Posted by Greylocks

The (real) pistol must be; trigger-locked

Correct, if you are storing it in a simple locked container like a gun case. It does NOT need to be trigger locked if it is stored in a vault or safe.

magazine removed

Wrong.

ammo removed from magazine

If it's still in the gun, yes. If it's out of the gun, no.

magazine stored in the same locked container as the handgun (but not in it)

Wrong.

ammo stored elsewhere.

Partially correct. If stored in a vault or locked room it can be stored with the firearm.

So it's partly the laws (for simplicity) and mostly the policies. Seems that every time something is said here, a full novel must be written.

That's mainly due to the fact that you continue to give false information that requires constant correction.

Just so there's no room for argument:

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/info_for-r...ransport_e.asp

[Manchilada]

Having a mechanical engineering degree should provide you with more intelligent things to mention besides malleability. Malleability is to do with plastic deformation once a material is stressed beyond its yield stress. Going into 4th year mechanical engineering myself, I know damn well that metals being compressed, as long as they do not pass their yeild stress, will completely recover their elastic deformation. I'd have no problem storing my GBB mag full of bb's since theres no way the spring will yeild, so the deformation is completely elastic, and thus recoverable. Also, since a GBB spring will never yield, the only way it is likely to fail is by fatigue. Fatigue is caused by weakening of a material due to repeated loading and unloading. So, scientifically, nah... he's wrong.