What IS the best GBB?

[G_unit]

KJW Glock 23

Pros

-Full metal
-Hard kick
-Very comfortable, fits well in your hands
-Nice comfortable weight
-Not very expensive, huge bang for you're buck
-Decent mag capacity of 20 rounds
-Adjustable hop up
-Fairly accurate
-Great range, I get over 100ft using .23g excels
-Railed frame for lights, lasers etc
-Sounds exactly like a real glock when the slide is racked(if that matters )
-Very powerful, and hurts like a bitch when you get shot by it
-Simple maitenance, clean with duster, then re-oil the slide rails, springs, etc
-Skirmishing gun, this gun is designed for playing, not like fancy WA which are nice for collecting, this gun has taken some very hard abuse. Ice jammed down the breech, slide, snow down the barrel, and it still fired after all of that.
-Bullet proof finish, I have had mine for over a year, its the only gun so far that I would never really consider selling, no scratches after getting its ass kicked.
-Takes propane right out of the box!
-Decent gas mileage, 2-3 mags per fill

Cons

-No trades, this doesn't bother me, but *sigh* some people care about them just as much or more as performance
-Not many accessories for them, the 23's little brother the 27 has more accessories

Thats it for cons, I really can't find any other flaws with the gun, its very solid and the best bang for your buck. Also I really think I should mention the TM tac master, this gun has amazing accuracy and range, I got to shoot one at the last game I went to, I was very impressed by its range and accuracy, well past 100 feet, almost a pistol sniper.

[Carvs]

Originally Posted by Droc

I have used several KJW M9s before, maby it was just them, but even on propane, it looked like it struggled to cycle the slide.

Odd, mine has a respectable punch to it, doesnt seem to struggle at all.

[Renegade)]

Originally Posted by Carvs

Odd, mine has a respectable punch to it, doesnt seem to struggle at all.

Could be just the ones myself and Droc have used, the one I test fired was brand new out of the box and it had the little details he mentioned about the struggle. Maybe you got the pick of the litter :P

are all glock 19s made my KSC HW? or are there non HW ones made by KSC?

[Mysteryfish]

Much discussion has been made on that subject:

- KSC version has plastic slide and Heavy Weight frame

- KWA version has ABS frame and metal slide

(Both as they are recieved, out of the box)

KSC and KWA are reputed to be two branches of the same company, but I've never heard anyone conclusively state that this is true, but since neither one makes the other one's 'variety' of gun, I believe I can safely say "No, KSC only makes the HW version".

I would suggest that the KSC USP Compact is also a candidate for best GBB, out of the box. I may have had excellent luck with mine, but:

- it ran propane
- shot very nicely
- had great hop-up
- range
- FAST cyclic rate
- Snappy shooting, felt nice. Small size created a surprising recoil.
- Easy to carry
- looks great, feels very good (heavy, realistic)
- Working De-cocker

Cons?
- I didn't have anything fail or screw up on it, so I can't comment on likely issues. I wouldn't suggest that it doesn't have it's problems, but I did not encounter any.

One article that could go both ways is the magazine. It's completely closed off (Ie, the BB's aren't visible while loaded)

Benefits of this are that the BB's are always kept away from dirt and debris.

Problems could be that it is a little harder to clean, and if you really like counting BB's, you'd have to count them on the way in. Oh, and it's a bit weird to load, but if you're good, you can fill it with a TM BB loader.

Originally Posted by Carvs

Odd, mine has a respectable punch to it, doesnt seem to struggle at all.

it really depends on comparison. If the KJW M9 is the only GBB you have used, or used latley, it may seem like its alot. Its really hard to notice the difference unless you can have a gun in each hand.
Like the TM hicapa 5.1 and the TM sig. both are very close, but put one in each hand and let off some rounds, there is a slight difference.

but then again, GBBs are anything but consistant. I have seen some brand new KSC glocks that really suck, but I have also seen many that work great.

[Bob the Angry Potato]

HFC M190-
Amazingly accurate, high velocity
Full metal, propane ready out of the box
Metal isn't pot metal, quite heavy
Great mag efficiency- 2 1/2 mags for each fill
Almost indestructible- google around for horror stories involving concrete and long drops
Quick ROF, recoil
A full-auto version is available
Compatible with real steel grips, many aftermarket parts (Marui M9 compatible)
A rail for accessories

[ToRN]

Pssst, Ren, you broke your own rule dude.

The 226 that I sold you has a tightbore barrel, remember?

[Renegade)]

Originally Posted by ToRN

Pssst, Ren, you broke your own rule dude.

The 226 that I sold you has a tightbore barrel, remember?

Of course, I remember, but you also included the stock barrel which I switched over to just to see the comparison and stock performance.

But just for that I will now say that a tightbore barrel is a quick simple upgrade, adds range, power and consistent accuracy that wont break your wallet. But that is for another thread.

In stock form, this gun is still awesome and a very proud close second to the Hi Capa.

[fidget]

KJW Full Metal M9

--Pros
+Full Metal
+KJW
+Nice kick (if it struggles, replace the recoil spring)
+Nice wieght
+Green gas ready out of the box
+Accurate
+Remarkabley Realistic
+Good range
+A little over 300 fps
+High mag capicity (27 rnds with one n the chamber)

Cons

+NONE THAT I CAN SEE.

I own both a KJW full metal M9 and a KJW ABS M9.

[the end]

KSC Glock 18c

+great price
+crisp blowback
+good accuracy
+tons of aftermarket parts
+easy to upgrade
+full auto with great ROF
+has never jammed on me before
+large capacity 23rnd or 49rnds
+good build quality

-would probably die on propane
-has that Glock look
-if you dont have the right holster the mag can sometimes fall out
-plastic slide is a bit weak

TM hi-capa 5.1
everything Droc said is bang on
great gun and a decent price too

[Renegade)]

Great Reviews everyone, there must be more airsofter's out there with GBB's, dont worry if your pistol has already been covered, just throw out what you think of it.
Everyone should have a different personal usage opinion on their pistols, we want to hear them all!

[CDN_Stalker]

Originally Posted by Droc

but I have also seen many that work great.

Hehe, my KSC G19 with the right ammo!

Having tried your Hi Capa and a couple P226's, I'll have to say they are pretty impressive out of the box.

[Shinjin_MC]

A few niggles I have with my TM Hi Capa
It is upgraded, but I'm fairly sure they pertain to a stock model as well:

the hop actuation lever is made of a softer metal and after extended use, will weaken; you need to strip the gun and re-bend it into shape
not to mention, you need to strip the gun to access the hop; its not as fiddly with Glocks, but with 1911's it takes longer
I prefer KSC's hop unit

the sights are of the "target" variety and targeting tends to be a bit slower versus sights on Berettas and glocks

magazine catch is quite large and will bump loose in a softer holster; I switched to a hard Safariland 6004 and it was ok

and of course there is the O-ring problem; In Japan, all you need to do is drop by the equivalent of a Home Depot or Home Hardware and pick up an O-ring of the same size (10, I believe it is)
Its not a standard size here in Canada

after extended use, the manual safety tends to be 'mushier' than those on WA's
It still works, but I can flick the safety on even when the hammer is down

and on the topic of the hammer: you cannot manual decock; it only decocks to the half-cock position, unlike WA where you can fully manual-decock the hammer
you need to actually pull the trigger without the magazine in the gun to decock

the leaf spring sometimes fails to catch on the sear, so the hammer will not stay in the cocked position
its quite interesting if you insert a full mag, cock the gun and can't do a thing as the gun cooks off all 31 shots in the magazine
fixed easily by removing the mainspring housing to access the leaf spring

now, I'm just being picky, but I prefer the more aggressive checkering on the grips that WA has on their 1911's, especially around the front of the grip; just feels better IMO

[Renegade)]

Bumping this thread back to life, in case there are any more who wish to put in a word about their GBB. After another week or so I will tally up the answers and make a full information (locked/stickied) thread that will help any airsoft player to see personal, hands on experience and findings regarding Gas Blowback Pistol's.

So any info you would like to see put on the final thread, speak now!

Thanks