TP Logic T12-W & T12-V Thermal Imagers for Airsoft

[Datawraith]

The main problem I've heard is the display size and resolution. The imager the unit uses is still only 80x60px if I recall correctly, so the resulting image is kind of grainy even on a super small screen.

[BenG]

is it even possible then to destinguish something as a human being then at 50m? or is it just kind of an orange glow that may or may not be 50 ish meters away

[Ricochet]

Yeah well, all the reviews I've heard from airsofters are from the short range ones, not the long range versions. The pictures and videos online seem to be really good, but may be doctored to look better than in reality. Also, perhaps only the top couple of models are any good. Pedro, do you remember which model you checked out?

Side mount or 45• mount for a spotting device, not as a sight, that's my goal.

[Ricochet]

Actually just reading a few reviews online that say the screen is postage stamp size and thermal objects are like blobs, non verifiable. Some videos are convincing though.

[Datawraith]

Dr. Dreist might be a good resource to consult (from Dark Gray Project). I believe he has and uses one of these thermals.

[pestobanana]

I'm fairly certain the one I saw was a T12. The screen is only slightly larger than looking through an Aimpoint T-1. The thing is a piece of shit. If you are mounting it offset purely for spotting, you will be able to spot that there is a warm dot for you to watch out for. As for making out shapes, you'll have better luck reading the bottom row of an eye exam when you're old with bifocals.

Just look at this older model. Realise that the dude is only like 2 or 3 metres away, and see how small he already looks.

[BenG]

Yeah i feel like ill stick with my gen 3s

[Derpystronk]

I have one. It's... whatever.

We toyed around with doing a few mods to make it a bit more usable. Inside a CQB space, like Picton, it could actually be a devastating little toy when combined with thermal. Once you start going beyond 100 feet, it's usability falls off pretty fast. At night, it's a giant screen giving you away, however I've used it in a defensive position known to the enemy to see people approaching through bush my NVG's weren't picking up.

I've had to go out of my way to make it useful. If you want a super cheap thermal in that price range, the FLIR TK is it. It's not going to be as good as a full sized thermal, but lightyears ahead of the TP units at pretty much the same price.



The only thing I can say I liked about the TP was it's virtually unlimited battery life. It lasts forever in thermal terms.

[Zack The Ripper]

Originally Posted by Datawraith

Dr. Dreist might be a good resource to consult (from Dark Gray Project). I believe he has and uses one of these thermals.

To my knowledge MSF has switched out to a different model of thermal imager from a different company. It would be the Pulsar Apex XD50 if I'm not mistaken: http://www.pulsar-nv.com/products/th...pex/apex-xd50/

Much larger, but very capable unit. I heard nothing but bad things about the Torrey Pines units from them.

[EOD Steve]

Originally Posted by BenG

me? I dont have one, just did alot of digging into it, currently using a pvs-7, id be very interested to have a look at one, and find out how they got it in Canada, as I havnt been able to find a place that will export even the 9hz models which are supposedly export ready.

9Hz? Jesus.

Thermal is no different than NV, you get what you pay for. Why is this surprising?

[Derpystronk]

Originally Posted by EOD Steve

9Hz? Jesus.

Thermal is no different than NV, you get what you pay for. Why is this surprising?

9hz for the Torrey Pines, and any observational thermal, is adequate. It's not gucci high speed low drag tier stuff, but it detects stuff and gets the job done. Even panning at a reasonable speed is fine. I was sitting in the passenger seat of a vehicle with a 9hz imager, looking out the window while driving at 80km/hr, and could still "see" fine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC_1WxF5RsQ

If we are talking military grade that needs silky smooth panning, snapping to and from targets at high speed - 30hz still isn't even enough. 60hz is where it's at.

Because the TP unit is so small and limited in use, I legitimately don't even really even notice the frame rate is at 9hz. The 9hz is not what makes this thing crap, it's everything else about it. The upside is the ability to import it in the first place as well as the ability to legally bring it in and out of the USA without worry of paperwork boogie men.

[Ricochet]

If it's solid at spotting, then that's fine with me. The main thing is something that detects out past airsoft gun range and can be effectively used during the day and night.

On a seperate note, I didn't realize Flir had made a smaller/more affordable version of the scout. I'll look into that as well. It won't fit neatly onto the side rails of my gun like the TP Logic, but it may have other uses in my life as well.

I'm after an efficient spotting device for daylight basically. When I buy NVGs, that's where I'll dump some money one day.

[Foodbasics]

I'd say they see out to 65-70m so your concern is definitely valid.

[c3sk]

I'm with Pesto on this one, when it comes to low end thermal specs, don't waste your money. 9hz is a laughable joke. You're better off spending money on a directional microphone at that point if you're trying to detect enemy player locations.

[Ricochet]

I already run noise amplification. lol