ACU in late fall Alberta

[Telnets]

Lighter camo is very under apretiated. Its not all about picking the right color for your area, its about tricking the eye into not seeing something it is...

Ive found people wearing cadpat in the middle of summer quite easy to pick out on the field. Reason? Well for me im looking for a dark green blob in the middle of a bunch of light green leaves.. or a dark green blob oddly out of place under a pine tree with all the brown needles.

Take my Swedish for instance...

http://www.telnets.org/gallery/album...icture_217.jpg

Its not much to look at right there, but that game, i was able to pretty much ly down anywhere in the grass and have people walk right by me.. Why? I was told they were to busy checking the treeline for people, and missed me laying in the middle of an open grass area. Simply wearing camo that allows me to be somewhere other usualy arnt was enough, even though the camo itself didnt blend very well againced the grey-ish treeline.

Ive also worn my Urban T-Pattern uniform in the middle of summer.. not because it blends at all, but because most people arnt expecting a grey blob on the floor of the forest and usualy "ignore" it when scanning ahead. They seem to be to busy looking too hard for people in cadpat i guess =o)

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Originally Posted by Telnets

Lighter camo is very under apretiated. Its not all about picking the right color for your area, its about tricking the eye into not seeing something it is...

You've hit on the concept of negative space. Lighter shade patterns such as MultiCam and MARPAT work really well in camouflaging when you're moving in open space, also called "negative space".

From a USMC website on camouflage:
A tree, building or other specific object that draws our focus is considered positive space. The visual area in between two positive spaces is considered negative space. As a person's observation moves across a field of vision, his or her natural tendency is to jump from positive space to positive space. Anything that interrupts this flow of space would be considered a target indicator

More info here

FYI BHI is now making gear in ACU pattern, for all you "ensemble" types.

[Cheese]

For these pictures in the first post, I think the best camouflage is ACU jacket and Desert DPM trouser

[Telnets]

i think the best combination I have ever tried so far has been Danish top, and a German desert pants.. I guess the same could work with a Cadpat top and Arid pants, or depending on the area, Cadpat top/ marpat pants..

Having the brown in the low bush and the greener where the trees are definatly is a good combination, for at least my style of play and the region i play in.

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You and your team were some of the first players to sport full sets of Multicam Telnets, in the West if not in the Country. Since you are a avid camo collector, who also is actively playing through out the seasons, what is your opinion of the overall effectiveness of Multicam, vs a pattern such as Tropentarn or even M84?

Sorry for the thread jack John, just curious about this, and figured I would ask Telnets here while he is posting.

[Telnets]

Zero,
To answer your question honustly, I do quite like the multicam pattern. No its not an "be all and end all" of patterns, however it does work very well in a wide vceriety of conditions (it was made to). It's probably one of the most versitile patterns but as such its not the perfect pattern for all occations.

I have found, here in alberta that it seems to work pretty well, We tend to always have some yellow/brown/grass in the undergrowth around here so thats mainly where it works as you can see in the background of this picture

http://www.telnets.org/gallery/album13/DCP_0131?full=1

even though it is quite "green" out, the sunshine keeps everything bright, which is why multicam, and a combinations of acu, or marpat/desert, or even my sweedish works well still. Cadpat is a better match for the color in general, but because the sun cadpat turns into a dark blob in the field and is easy to spot, as per this picture.

http://www.telnets.org/gallery/album13/DCP_0114?full=1

here is a comparison between me goofing off in multicam, and a few cadpats behind me..
http://www.telnets.org/gallery/album...0155.sized.jpg

its quite easy to tell that multicam was a much better choice due to the browns on the ground and the greys at the bottom of the trees.

however, in a case such as a few years back in BC, where the trees were so thick, and so tall, i think multicam would have been a little too bright, because the field itself, even in the daytime, was quite dark, thus in that case, cadpat, or my danish worked very well, as you can see here

http://www.telnets.org/gallery/album...ted2_sized.jpg

I would recomend the multicam, if your in a slightly thined out forest, or there is a lot of yellowish/grassy, or dead undergrowth for sure.. even if there is a bit of open space to cross, a brighter camo will be more effective in thoes cases. But if its generaly dark, lots of green undergrowth, then you can use almost anything. I mean standard OD hides just as well as cadpat in a thick green bush

What i dont think....

I dont think multicam is worth 600US for an outfit. It is not THAT good of a camo, granted the uniform itself is built very well, but thats a different discussion and/or desicion whether its worth your money or not, but for the pattern alone, i dont think it is.

Camo that would be equily effective in the same situations as wearing multicam i would select:
Sweedish m90
German Flecktarn
Possibly ACU (i dont have a set myself, but ive seen it personaly)
Auscam is quite similar to multicam and and works quite well around here (is also cheap to get a whole kit off ebay or surplus)
Austrian would be alright if you could find some.

Im not putting cadpat down or anything, it is a pattern that works in a few cases as well, im just saying there are others that work as well. Just because your in canada, and your wearing cadpat is not goign to make you the preditor on the field. I personaly dont have much trouble spotting people in cadpat on the field in most conditions.. i dont know, i just find it to dark in most cases.

If you really wanted to get into digital, i would suggest more of a marpat, or a very underrated pattern such as "jungle stalker" its the same base colors as cadpat, sept its a little more "dull" then cadpat. but even that is pretty green

http://www.tacticalconcealment.com/p...kercordura.jpg

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I actually have most of the contemporary digital patterns. I have some M84 and even a set of Austrian. As you said, each of those patterns is effective in specific situations with in certain parameters such as vegitation, and season.

The attraction that multicam has for me is that it may offer players using it concealment in more diverse terrain/vegitation/seasons. Like Alta the other two praire provinces that I play in, have ground scrub that is comprized of vegitation that is generally the same shade as Multicam. Given the fact that actually full foliage summer is only present for approx 3 months, during those months the green dominant camos are in their element, but after that period ends those camos lose some versatility in terms of concealment, and that environment is where i think Multicam is going to be most effective, not to mention the fact that in a situation where a playing feild may span everything from coniferous forest to a predominantly sandy excavated terrain, Multicam may be the best choice for camo that will be able to offer concealment transitioning from the two terrain/vegitiatons. From my perspective I would be satisfied using a camo that offers some concealment in the majority of situations, instead of using speciallized patterns that only work well with in limited scope.

Thanks for answering my Q telnets, I knew you were one of the few people who had enough experiance wearing rare/differnt patterns to make a well informed observations on the matter.

[Telnets]

=o) no worries.. i try to break out of the box quite often, some with good results, some with poor ones.. I did the Digital think like 5 years ago before most people knew canadians were getting digital patterns.. i had my fun and now on my search for the most interesting/functional pattern..

Cant wait to try polish desert!