Which gun should i get?

[hollywood...]

Originally Posted by Slodin

Since M4 mags are pretty much universal (ofc not exactly), switching to a another M4 usually works out. So buy good mags...

^---- that too

[pestobanana]

KA M4s are mediocre, slightly above CA and DeepFire but still not very good.

[lurkingknight]

my preference would be the KA over the CA and deepfire.

[RainyEyes]

I would rather go KA than CA because over the years, I've heard of splotchy quality control with CA airsoft. Stuff like broken gearbox parts and such. You were playing the lottery with CA guns where you could either get a REALLY good gun, or a crappy one that almost broke out of the box. KA is more like a baseline where it's not very good, but not horrible, but reliable.

[SuperHog]

CA uses soft steel screws on all their guns. Most of the time, the assembler already stripped the threads during assembly. Not only a screw was stripped on the M4 gear box, the phillips head was stripped and the assembler didn't even have the brains to replace it before shipping. I had to drill it out to remove it.

I bought a total of three CA guns, everyone of them with almost all the screws stripped. Never again I will buy CA.

I noticed that my VFC and G&P guns came with YFS 12.9 grade alloy screws. Much better quality guns.

[localfreerider]

Originally Posted by Kozzie

Hey look, another thread where we complain about new guys asking new guy questions. No wonder the trend is to abandon this forum for Facebook. I hope 2016 brings an end to the whining.

I think the change over to facebook may have more to do with convenience than our sometimes juvenile way of dealing with trolls. I for one am all for helping new people join the sport/hobby, my problem is with spoon feeding information that can be easily found with a modicum of effort searching.

On the topic of King Arms I am a huge fan of their metal receivers, as this is the one part of the gun that is not easy or cheap to replace I put a higher value on this piece as anything else can be found and replaced without much trouble.

unique serial numbers, CNC trademarks, uniform anodizing, very nice fit and finish and I want to believe they are 6061 aluminum compared to most zinc pot metal.

I would say that KA internals are in the middle ground in terms of quality.

My advice is to shop around the reputable Canadian retailers, there are plenty of good deals to be had at this time of the year.

[SuperHog]

Originally Posted by localfreerider

I think the change over to facebook may have more to do with convenience than our sometimes juvenile way of dealing with trolls. I for one am all for helping new people join the sport/hobby, my problem is with spoon feeding information that can be easily found with a modicum of effort searching.

On the topic of King Arms I am a huge fan of their metal receivers, as this is the one part of the gun that is not easy or cheap to replace I put a higher value on this piece as anything else can be found and replaced without much trouble.

unique serial numbers, CNC trademarks, uniform anodizing, very nice fit and Finnish and I want to believe they are 6061 aluminum compared to most zinc pot metal.

I would say that KA internals are in the middle ground in terms of quality.

My advice is to shop around the reputable Canadian retailers, there are plenty of good deals to be had at this time of the year.

Sorry to burst your bubble, KA uses pot metal

If you want billet machined aluminum, I believe RA Tech has a M4 with a billet milled receiver.

[localfreerider]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

Sorry to burst your bubble, KA uses pot metal

If you want billet machined aluminum, I believe RA Tech has a M4 with a billet milled receiver.

Don't be, you are right and I just learned something new. I still feel the same about KA external quality when compared with cyma, dboy, etc...

With my gun in hand right now I notice the paint on the KA receiver looks so similar to anodized aluminum it had me fooled the whole time. My buffer tube I can tell is anodized aluminum and without the the scratches its hard to tell the receiver is painted.

[SuperHog]

The best exteriors still is VFC. I have G&P and that is nice as well.

I know a few guys with Krytacs, but I haven't looked at them close enough to confirm the exterior quality compared to VFC.

But ultimately the best of them all is TM no question.

[Kozzie]

Originally Posted by localfreerider

I think the change over to facebook may have more to do with convenience than our sometimes juvenile way of dealing with trolls. I for one am all for helping new people join the sport/hobby, my problem is with spoon feeding information that can be easily found with a modicum of effort searching.

I wasn't suggesting it's the only reason, but it's undoubtedly contributing to the problem of the shrinking number of people using this form, that was my point.

If someone has a problem with "spoon feeding", then don't reply to the thread, it's that simple. Or make a constructive comment on where/how they can find the info they're looking for, without the all too common condescending tone. If someone is trolling the worst thing you can do is respond. That's exactly what they want.

What you see as spoon feeding others may not. I think we forget that we were all new at one point, we let the large number of these threads have a cumulative effect. As was mentioned already in this thread, most stickies and older threads that come up with a search, are out of date and the info is bad info/advice.

[Cliffradical]

Also, "Google it" is pretty useless advice, even when it isn't snarky. If you don't already know where to look for good information or price checks, googling just about anything airsoft related is a shitshow. Easily 80% of the stuff out there is youtube videos made by children under 16, or pure marketing.
Being able to fire off a quick question and being able to let it simmer away is pretty much the entire point of web forum format anyway, and with thread necros being looked upon as so incredibly evil, people may as well just pop on, ask a question, have it resolved, and move on. Nevermind using the search function to pull up a decade of similar keywords to find old information that may no longer be relevant.

I think forums crumbudgeons don't really know how high the stacks of newspapers and soda cans have built up around us, and that we're living in an information hoard where we tell the neighbors "Get your own!" when they offer to haul off some of the scrap.

[Slodin]

Originally Posted by Cliffradical

Also, "Google it" is pretty useless advice, even when it isn't snarky. If you don't already know where to look for good information or price checks, googling just about anything airsoft related is a shitshow. Easily 80% of the stuff out there is youtube videos made by children under 16, or pure marketing.
Being able to fire off a quick question and being able to let it simmer away is pretty much the entire point of web forum format anyway, and with thread necros being looked upon as so incredibly evil, people may as well just pop on, ask a question, have it resolved, and move on. Nevermind using the search function to pull up a decade of similar keywords to find old information that may no longer be relevant.

I think forums crumbudgeons don't really know how high the stacks of newspapers and soda cans have built up around us, and that we're living in an information hoard where we tell the neighbors "Get your own!" when they offer to haul off some of the scrap.

i agree with your thought..
cause airsoft guns are...imo very hard to compare...thus quick search is actually pretty useless..unless some did a "take it apart" online

companies (most retailers) almost NEVER tell you what they put into their product and they are probably not required to. They don't tell you what is in the gearbox, they dont tell you what grade metal, they mostly just write fps, weight, length, a brief selling point, and then say it's a great gun and call it a day.

so it became a stupid thing where the person who bought the gun and sank his or her money into it have to come out and tell people that it's crap. Then it just became reading the brand name instantly returns no or yes...

I just went on G&G's website, and the information is still lacking..even on their own webpage... :banghead:

[localfreerider]

Originally Posted by Kozzie

I wasn't suggesting it's the only reason, but it's undoubtedly contributing to the problem of the shrinking number of people using this form, that was my point.

If someone has a problem with "spoon feeding", then don't reply to the thread, it's that simple. Or make a constructive comment on where/how they can find the info they're looking for, without the all too common condescending tone. If someone is trolling the worst thing you can do is respond. That's exactly what they want.

What you see as spoon feeding others may not. I think we forget that we were all new at one point, we let the large number of these threads have a cumulative effect. As was mentioned already in this thread, most stickies and older threads that come up with a search, are out of date and the info is bad info/advice.

Forums are great place for providing information but sifting though tons of old and sometimes defunct threads for the info you need takes alot more effort than asking again for what has already been covered 10+ threads already. So we have an information overload with contradicting advice, its no wonder the same questions come up over and over. I am not speaking specifically about the OP but in general.

Perhaps a complete and comprehensive review section is needed, a resource we can sort alphabetically, by brand, by product, etc. Everyone who is a member can contribute regardless of AV status and there could be rating system e.g cost, quality, performance. Then we could up vote the most helpful posts.

It could be a one stop shop where people could compare at a glance, I would gladly provide information and photos of guns that come across my work bench to fill out such a review system and make it viable.

I do a face palm every time I see

What should I get, a Pulse R76 or crossman zombie hunter extreme?!?

How can I make my airsoft gun kill magpies better?

[Cliffradical]

Hahahaha, yeah. I was trying to be nice in the Magpie thread, but part of me was really like "What, is this nineteen thirty fucking five? Got a lot of costume jewelery that needs protecting? Two rows of corn that you've got to hang on to at all costs or the pigs will starve over winter? Well hot damn. I'll grab my 30-30 and we'll get us a stew going."

[Kozzie]

Originally Posted by localfreerider

Forums are great place for providing information but sifting though tons of old and sometimes defunct threads for the info you need takes alot more effort than asking again for what has already been covered 10+ threads already. So we have an information overload with contradicting advice, its no wonder the same questions come up over and over. I am not speaking specifically about the OP but in general.

Perhaps a complete and comprehensive review section is needed, a resource we can sort alphabetically, by brand, by product, etc. Everyone who is a member can contribute regardless of AV status and there could be rating system e.g cost, quality, performance. Then we could up vote the most helpful posts.

It could be a one stop shop where people could compare at a glance, I would gladly provide information and photos of guns that come across my work bench to fill out such a review system and make it viable.

I do a face palm every time I see

What should I get, a Pulse R76 or crossman zombie hunter extreme?!?

How can I make my airsoft gun kill magpies better?

I'm sure we've face palmed over many of the same threads. Unfortunately, you just can't stop those threads from popping up unless you restrict and censor people's ability to post and/or create threads. Up-to-date and maintained stickies, would no doubt be beneficial in providing a link to answer some of the simple repetitive questions inherent to new players. But those stickies aren't necessarily going to reflect everyone's opinions or experiences, and they certainly can't speak to every individual situation. There's always going to be another person around the corner asking a question. Whatever the case, I think we can agree that whining, flaming, and being condescending isn't going to stop repetitive threads from popping up. The greater problem would seem to be in the housekeeping; but on a free forum run by volunteers it's exactly what one would expect.

Searches are sorted by newest first. So it would seem to me, old outdated threads (which are inevitable) really aren't that much of a problem, provided there are new up-to-date threads that bury them. Long, 30+ page threads (built up over time) on one topic, certainly have their benefits. But they tend get derailed frequently, and become a nightmare for new people to sort through and know where to start reading or how to determine what is still valid.

A comprehensive review section would be great, It would no doubt, result in some of those 30+ page reviews. Unfortunately people rarely seem to use the review section we have. I would definitely be on board with up-voteable posts/threads (forum-wide).