Kwa? Vfc? We?g&g?

[Juke16]

There's at least King Arms if you're on a budget, full metal, decent externals, and decent overall quality for a good price. Very popular in Hong Kong for upgrading.

[lurkingknight]

Originally Posted by CLundy

Honestly it's all based on opinion and budget. I personally love my G&G way better than any other m4 I've used (and yes I've tried kwa and vfc), but when it comes down to it, as previously mentioned, they're all almost the same out of the box. Each gun will perform well for a stock gun, each gun will last long enough if you take good care of it. People will tell you that if you don't have the most expensive gun that you're wasting your time but that's not nessecarily true. If you really want to know which one to get, I would suggest heading to a local store to try them out!

On a side note, I do know that kwa uses some proprietary parts so keep that in mind if you're planning on upgrading.

Hope this helped!

It is not opinion. When you build AEGs for people you will understand why all the builders in this thread are saying vfc. I have never had parts not mesh well in a vfc, I've seen about 20 of them now across my work bench. I've had a deepfire that had an upper machined so poorly it won't clear the front pin and has to be hammered apart. I've had G&Ps mysteriously lose air seal if you tighten one screw too much. An SRC 416 with a bent/warped upper that wouldn't fit on the lower. I've had 5 g&g CMs all with cracked gearboxes. I've had a g&g scar with a cracked gearbox, a g&g mp5 with a cracked gearbox. They ALL use the same v2 shell. A CA m4 pistol grip came with 2 slightly different sized screws and the big one ended up stripping out all 4 holes in the bottom of the grip so only that one screw fit.

The only other brand I've not had many build issues with is king arms, but they have their own set of quirks as well regarding external mods.

If your only experience with AEGs is opening the box, putting a battery into it and gaming it, you don't have a foot to stand on telling people their technical experience is opinion.

[CLundy]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

It is not opinion. When you build AEGs for people you will understand why all the builders in this thread are saying vfc. I have never had parts not mesh well in a vfc, I've seen about 20 of them now across my work bench. I've had a deepfire that had an upper machined so poorly it won't clear the front pin and has to be hammered apart. I've had G&Ps mysteriously lose air seal if you tighten one screw too much. An SRC 416 with a bent/warped upper that wouldn't fit on the lower. I've had 5 g&g CMs all with cracked gearboxes. I've had a g&g scar with a cracked gearbox, a g&g mp5 with a cracked gearbox. They ALL use the same v2 shell. A CA m4 pistol grip came with 2 slightly different sized screws and the big one ended up stripping out all 4 holes in the bottom of the grip so only that one screw fit.

The only other brand I've not had many build issues with is king arms, but they have their own set of quirks as well regarding external mods.

If your only experience with AEGs is opening the box, putting a battery into it and gaming it, you don't have a foot to stand on telling people their technical experience is opinion.

Perhaps my statement was a little inaccurate it is true that some brands will be all around better than others and yes I can understand the difference of working on a nice gun and a shitty one, however,

I've worked on all of the guns mentioned (minus the WE) and internally they are all a breeze to get around. Vfc is a nice brand I will not lie but my G&G comes apart and goes together flawlessly every time. I've felt Vfc's that do not live up to expectations and to be honest I think for the price you pay for them, they're not worth it if you're going to work on the gun IMO. As mentioned before, it all depends on what you're doing with the gun but any of the mentioned brands will work fine (so long as you don't get a lemon and yes ALL of the brands will produce the odd lemon) out of the box.

[rehab27]

im looking at the HK 416 BY VFC (or VR16), WE m4, KWA SR10, and the GG tr4-18, like im looking for guns that can take m4 magazines, with good accuracy (stock until i can upgrade), good performance, and can have lots of parts just incase in breaks. my budget is $600

[CLundy]

Originally Posted by rehab27

im looking at the HK 416 BY VFC (or VR16), WE m4, KWA SR10, and the GG tr4-18, like im looking for guns that can take m4 magazines, with good accuracy (stock until i can upgrade), good performance, and can have lots of parts just incase in breaks. my budget is $600

In that case, all of the guns you have mentioned will perform and feel quite nice out of the box. The tr4-18 and the 416 are obviously going to be very similar, but the vfc will be more true to the real thing of course. Out of the box the kwa will probably be the best performing gun, but just know that some of the parts are proprietary. I'm not too sure about the WE, but I would probably stay away from it due to the fact that they usually aren't up to par with the other selections for what your paying.

So to recap, if you want the best gun out of the box that you're not going to touch internally too much, the kwa is a solid choice. The vfc will run you a bit more, but will perform solidly and will look completely badass out on the field, not to mention easy to upgrade as well. The g&g will probably be a little cheaper, so if you want a model/ look alike 416, go with that then use some of the money you have saved to put into upgrades. Finally, as I mentioned the WE is probably something you want to stay away from, I've never had too much experience with the aeg line but I have had experience with the gbb line and it's not all that great.

Since they're all V2 gearboxes, it shouldnt be hard to source parts for any of them.

Hope this helped

[Kozzie]

Originally Posted by rehab27

im looking at the HK 416 BY VFC (or VR16), WE m4, KWA SR10, and the GG tr4-18, like im looking for guns that can take m4 magazines, with good accuracy (stock until i can upgrade), good performance, and can have lots of parts just incase in breaks. my budget is $600

The G&G TR4-18 and the VFC 416 will have issues fitting PMAGS, they're slightly too big to fit in the magwell; it's the same with real 416's, thats why Magpul made the EMAG (it's thinner). STANAG mags will work fine in both.

There will be no shortage of aftermarket parts for the VFC and G&G (both are Marui spec), your problem will only be with which brand of part to chose. KWA (because it uses some proprietary parts), however, is a different story.

If it's something you plan on having for a while and upgrading in future, get a VFC it's the nicest platform to build from. Flat hop it (easy and inexpensive) and throw in a nice TBB and you're laughing.

[lurkingknight]

I would not buy a kwa aeg... the hopup is inferior and incompatible with standard v2s. the nozzle is slightly longer and offspec with no oring, the gearbox shell is offspec, and no it isn't a better performer out of the box vs the vfc or the g&g.

While it's not hard to get replacement parts from kwa, it's not worth the hassle. If this is going to be your only aeg for a while you don't want it to be down for a few weeks because you're waiting on parts.

Being in the GTA there are 2 aftermarket parts vendors within a day's mail service of you and several stores within an hour drive of you if you need parts, not to mention several competent/exceptional techs in the GTA should you need service. Paying an extra 50$ for not having to wait at least 2 weeks for kwa parts from the states is a no brainer.

[BioRage]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

I would not buy a kwa aeg... the hopup is inferior and incompatible with standard v2s. the nozzle is slightly longer and offspec with no oring, the gearbox shell is offspec, and no it isn't a better performer out of the box vs the vfc or the g&g.

While it's not hard to get replacement parts from kwa, it's not worth the hassle. If this is going to be your only aeg for a while you don't want it to be down for a few weeks because you're waiting on parts.

Being in the GTA there are 2 aftermarket parts vendors within a day's mail service of you and several stores within an hour drive of you if you need parts, not to mention several competent/exceptional techs in the GTA should you need service. Paying an extra 50$ for not having to wait at least 2 weeks for kwa parts from the states is a no brainer.

but but but but my RM4 ERG is so fun

[EOD Steve]

I'm not even sure if that gun is OEM'd by KWA...

[CLundy]

Even though the kwa hop up is proprietary it will outperform most guns out of the box. I have 2 kwa m9 ptps shooting 350 that will reach as far if not further than either my g&g or my pals stock vfc fighter. The gearbox is definitely proprietary but it is the most beefy out of all of the guns and will perform solidly. Plus kwa has a pretty awesome warranty that most companies don't offer.

I wouldnt knock kwa out so easily. There's a reason that they're considered one of the top brands out there.

[lurkingknight]

you are comparing GAS PISTOL hopups to AEG hopups?

[cetane]

Originally Posted by CLundy

I wouldnt knock kwa out so easily. There's a reason that they're considered one of the top brands out there.

....waiting for the flaming to begin

[CLundy]

Originally Posted by lurkingknight

you are comparing GAS PISTOL hopups to AEG hopups?

They may be for different systems yes but if that has anything to say about how the 2gx system will perform then I see a lot of potential. I personally have not tried the 2gx bucking in any of my aegs but I have heard from many different people that it is a solid performing bucking. There's countless YouTube videos and forums that can also attest to this.

[chaz]

[Kozzie]

Originally Posted by CLundy

They may be for different systems... I personally have not tried the 2gx bucking in any of my aegs but I have heard...