Applying hop upside Down?

[Ricochet]

Everyone has their opinion, and I'm definately not calling you wrong. However, there are many grey areas and slippery slopes in your logic. How many BBs is too many trying to get someone behind what is considered cover? One, two, ten, a mags worth? So you'll call a one or two shot, but not a guy spraying? How far of an arc is acceptable? Over and around is okay? Hop-up shots only?

[MultipleParadox]

My rule always was "if it hit you, you're hit", and there's no exception to that "rule".
Again this is how I play it, and would like others to play it but as you said, it can grey sometimes

However, you seem to say that lobbed shot are nonsense or something, I am assuming it's because it's unrealistic or something;

the way I see it, it's not because you're behind cover that you can't be hit. It's even truer in real life where the bullets can penetrate a lot of covers and will send shrapnels or fragments your way in all manners

Anyways we're going to derail the thread if we go on :P
To each his own I guess. As long as the host's rules are respected, I have no issues with whichever it is

[ThunderCactus]

from an "airsoft is a game where we shoot plastic balls at eachother" perspective, its all good

from a milsim point of view, bullets don't turn around buildings.

I can tell you for sure, that gun would be at a disadvantage though. Not all CQB occurs under 60ft, CQB also happens at 200ft. I'd rather have a gun that shoots accurately to 200ft than a gun that shoots around corners at 30.

[Ricochet]

If it was "real" we wouldn't be using plywood cover. It's more symbolic, and not everything translates over. It's a not a realism thing though, for me at least. It's strict sportsmanship. Lobbing BBs defeats the whole purpose. If a BB say dipped or it's flight died over my cover and it hit me I'd likely take it. If a guy aims up to rain them down then no, and anywhere I have played I can't say that technique is considered legitimate, allowed, clever, or sportsmanlike. Bending a BB around cover, intentionally at least, is like cutting a hole in the back of a hockey net and throwing the puck through it. To me it is anyways.

The issue here, wether it be my way, Hectic's, or yours Paradox is that there is no real way to regulate it without going one extreme or the other. Either you call everything, hop-up bending or weather bending shots are allowed, or honest shots and weather, or just honest shots. The BB is not a dead to the touch item. We don't call ricochets or ones we step on. I'd be more than happy to call a hit from a BB that chewed through my cover and hit me. Mil-sim never works for these arguments because there's only one way to truly simulate military, and airsoft, although decent, eliminates some real physics in the transition. So everything, in my opinion, must be to promote sportsmanship and honor. Would you call a hit from a player whom left the game area to sneak around behind you? In real life a military force "would" do that to win. In airsoft it's against the rules. Not very mil-sim, but people remember that unless they are acting and reinacting, then this a competitive sport and therefore must act accordingly.

I completely understand and respect your points of view, and if that was the rules at a game/field I attended, then I would abide. I just don't agree with it from a sporting point of view. But airsoft is a game of tactics and ingenuity. Like I said; great areas and slippery slopes.

Like grenades. Some places say you must be hit by a BB from the grenade, some places have a blast radius kill, so no be BB hit is necessary. Some places require a device that actually goes bang, some require a glowstick with flagging tape on it.

FYI, for those glowstick throwing people. If I have to call you BS grenade, then you have to call my PVC pipe rocket launcher that destroys the whole building your in. It's just a plain old piece of PVC with the word RAWRKET Launcher on the side in jiffy marker. Don't worry, I make asplosion effects with my mouth when it kills you. "Kerblooey!!!"

[ThunderCactus]

I'd argue that we don't use "real" cement or mud brick buildings because they're too expensive and plywood is effectively the same thing in airsoft

Like I've said before, there are people that complain "if this was real steel I could have shot you through that piece of corrugated plastic!"
Well if it were real steel, chances are pretty damn good you'd never use a piece of corrugated plastic for cover, or the corrugated plastic that signified a brick wall, would be an actual brick wall.

Then again, it all depends if you're playing airsoft, or LARPing milsim. Which brings up an interesting point, it's the milsim players that are the LARPers. People who just play speedball are the airsoft players lol

[Knoxville450]

I always figure just shoot hard, call your hits and have fun. Dont worry about the other guy.