how many airsoft guns dont have a real steel counterpart

[silhouette]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

G3 SAS was made. It's insane, but it was made.
VSR is a copy of a real gun.
Tactical launchers exist.
Custom versions of the 92F exist.
Colt Delta is a production item.
Auto 9mm do exist (the 93r as an example, same for the Glock and Steyr, and the VP70).
WA are copies of custom .45 handguns.
The Tanakas are (mostly) copies of the Smith&Wesson, Colt and Ruger handguns.

And I was so sure about seeing the Spetz someplace... oh well. Like I said, this is going to turn into the same thread as What Do You Want To See.

SIG PRO SP2009 is exist, Im talkin about SIG PRO SP2009 "GSG9 30th Anniversary model". It is KSC original custom.

If Auto 9 do exist, M41A Pulse rifle could be exist.
I think most airsoft are possibly exist in real steel. What is tha border line of custom model and non-exist model?
Im pretty sure tha Degicon STRAIGHT CUSTOM MOD.D-7 is airsoft original model.

(sorry for bad Eng)

[attack-beaver]

sry i guess i should narrow it down. yes groombug i meant production should have said that in the first.

[Gryphon]

The G3 SAS is a real-steel impossibility. The charging handle's travel isn't long enough to chamber a 7.62x51mm round from the magazine so there's no possible way it could ever fire. Even if it could, the chamber would take up half the barrel length so you would effectively have a 2" barrelled .308 SMG. Talk about lousy terminal ballistics.

Technically the FAMAS SV doesn't exist anymore. As it's sold by TM with the FAMAS-specific mags, it's a copy of the FAMAS G1 which originally used the proprietary 25-round mag. GIAT modified the rifle shortly after production to accept STANAG mags and accessories and it became the G2, and the G1 was phased out. I think TM kept the FAMAS mags so that M16 owners would still need to buy more mags should they pick up a FAMAS.

Full stock shorty AKs exist as custom jobs, although the handguard on the Beta-Spetz is another TM aberration. I've never seen them shorter than the AKSU length on factory weapons.

[666]

Originally Posted by W.K.Shuridys

The G3 SAS is a real-steel impossibility. The charging handle's travel isn't long enough to chamber a 7.62x51mm round from the magazine so there's no possible way it could ever fire. Even if it could, the chamber would take up half the barrel length so you would effectively have a 2" barrelled .308 SMG. Talk about lousy terminal ballistics.

That's what I've noticed while looking at one last week. I think Crash had it. Cocking tube is really short, way too short for a real gun.

[Greylocks]

Never said the G3 SAS made sense, but it's been made.
Ballistics and accuracy? Heh... none.

6 foot long muzzle flash? Yep.

Muzzle blast? Extreme.

Worth doing? No, unless you are trying to figure out if it can be done, and you have tons of cash and engineering skills.

[BiffTheAncient]

I guess that would make for a nice light show in the dark !

[Gryphon]

Originally Posted by Greylocks

Never said the G3 SAS made sense, but it's been made.

No, it is impossible.



In order to chamber a round, charging handle A must have a stroke greater than the length of the cartridge B. Otherwise the bolt will not get behind the cartridge head to strip it from the magazine and push it into the chamber. If A is shorter than B, there is no way cartridges will even be fed from the magazine; the bolt will stop 3/4 of the way once the charging handle bottoms out.

A and B shown on the left for reference are exact copy-and-pastes from the ones next to the gun.

[Dustball]

Originally Posted by W.K.Shuridys

No, it is impossible.

In order to chamber a round, charging handle A must have a stroke greater than the length of the cartridge B. Otherwise the bolt will not get behind the cartridge head to strip it from the magazine and push it into the chamber. If A is shorter than B, there is no way cartridges will even be fed from the magazine; the bolt will stop 3/4 of the way once the charging handle bottoms out.

A and B shown on the left for reference are exact copy-and-pastes from the ones next to the gun.

Is it not possible to have a series of gears inside to make the charging handle actually go back further?

[ancorp]

Originally Posted by Shotgun-MAn

Is it not possible to have a series of gears inside to make the charging handle actually go back further?

Whats the point, those series of gears will take up room too (infact why not use a lever? heh, that will take even more room probably), might as well just extend the gun abit and make a full lenght charging handle.

Cheers,
Alex

[Gryphon]

Originally Posted by Shotgun-MAn

Is it not possible to have a series of gears inside to make the charging handle actually go back further?

I've considered that, and it's about the only way it would actually work. However because HK rifles are roller-locked delayed blowback they tend to have ungodly powerful return springs that need to be compressed on cocking. I doubt you'd have any room for a gear set in a real G3 this size let alone one good enough to easily compress the spring.

Besides which, even if it could you've spent all that time and money engineering something that is less effective than any good submachine gun of the same size or smaller.

[Drake]

Plus there'd be absolutely no point. The G3SAS is (if it was proportially correct) an HK51 with an endcap butt and a RIS rail. You wouldn't want it as short as Marui's, look at where the magazine is, and figure the size of the chambered round; that'd be like a snubnosed 7.62x51. Power would suck and accuracy would suck more, and the hair on the back of your nonfiring hand would be singed.

[attack-beaver]

ok we have provein that the SAS will and never come to be in real life any other guns.

[Harbinger of Darkness]

But you do have to admit the G3 SAS looks really cool regardless.

[Drake]

Yeah it does. I looked into converting an MC51 into something like it, using a Nitro.VO rail kit on the top and front. I think it would have been similar looking (while being a big bigger obviously), but I don't need a third shorty AEG (I'm already trying to sell one of the two off heh).

[The Saint]

I also do seem to recall seeing a real steel G3 SAS picture floating around online somewhere. Whether it was photoshopped or not, I don't know, but I'm betting it's where the real steel G3 SAS thingy started.