Looking to buy a GBBR...ideas??

[audi_bhoy]

Originally Posted by tome

For the WE there are now version 2 mags which use an internal design similar to the very leak-resistant KJW style. There are very good reports of these

Also with the KJW the v2 style bolt has proven to cause reliability issues. I'm not sure whether Cradle has his bolt styled after the v1 ready yet but if so, then it might be an idea to get that from the get go.

Yep Cradle released their bolt carrier, but it is designed from the V1 bolt...

[tome]

Sorry if I've got the wrong end of the stick but I'm guessing you're worried that Cradle's carrier is based on the V1 because it's an older design and not the latest. If so you needn't worry as the V1 was a better design than the V2 (Cradle made the carrier because KJ stopped making the v1).

From when I last was into KJ m4 the two versions of bolt were interchangable in all KJ upper receivers. However I read recently that there was a problem with an aftermarket charging handle sticking in the latest version of the upper. If you're going to go KJ best to check up on the latest news to see about compatibility.

Strictly speaking the most reliable GBBR out of the box would be the non-serialised KJ m4 with the revised v1 bolt that is long enough to prevent the buffer from hitting the buffer detent and cracking the lower receiver (resulting in stuttering full-auto).

There's also the issue of the piston cup cracking which can be resolved using the Cradle o-ring piston.

[audi_bhoy]

Revised V1 is definitely the best version, taking down to adjust the cradle needs to take only 1 screw out, while V2 is a PITA. Cradle had their design after the V1 but they did upgrade some weak points.

[GBBR]

King Arms GBBR is a horrible out of box gun. The Mags will leak after 1 drop, resealing them is a major pain. IF HOW EVER! you do decide to get that one. you will have all the aftermarket back up in the world.

I would recommend going to airsoft depot. swapping out the KA BCG with a G&P BCG and buying G&P GBBR P-Mags. The Pmags are almost idoit proof and so easy to reseal.

If anything happens to the KA, there are always parts for it, triggers, sears, selectors, hammers, heck it even has a 3rd burst kit made by G&P for that system.

[BennyBoy]

VFC G36, M4 or 416 =D

[Shaner]

This is the third time I have heard about the VFC GBBR. They have them at Mach1 Airsoft. I know they only take VFC mags. What's the consensus on these bad boys.

Stupid question...Does G&P actually make a GBBR? I have their AEGs and love them.

[Stealthee]

Yes G&P does. They have the G&P WOC line.

[T@NK]

VFC, Inokatsu, VIPER, G&P, Kingarms and AGM they all use the WA system, according to my experience, they can be good shooting platform if the internals didn't fail, however if there is anything went wrong with them, it's a fucking pain in the ass to fix, you might end up with a dead horse even with changed the parts you think that might be the reason of mulfunction. I sold my WA system GBBR long time ago. well, it's just imo, my pain in the ass doesn't have to be yours.

WE on the other hand is cheaper, gun or mag wise, compare to the Prowin 50 rds mags @ $100 a piece, $30 WE Mags are like tube water that you can get as many as you want. the gun itself are reliable, my WE M4 has been through 1 year of heavy gaming with no issues at all, not to mention the RS parts you can put on the WE gun make it even more reliable, buffer tube, upper reciever, front set, grip, stock...etc

[FULLMETAL]

@ T@NK

I have a Vipertech and had an AGM... I never had problems with them.

The vipertech is the most solid replica I ever had. And the inokatsus are considered the best GBBR guns.

WE might be cheaper BUT NOT BETTER.

And what u mean with a pain in the ass to fix? Price? It depends on the parts you buy.

[T@NK]

I don't know much about Vipertech, maybe they have a improved design, maybe, all I know is they were the manufacturer of Inokatsu before the europeans bought off Ino. I have 2 friends own Inokatsu M4 ends up hang the Ino on their wall and game with WEs. AGM...hate to hurt the AGM users' feelings but it's totally garbage, period. According to OP's question, I'd say go for the WE.

I got into the GBBR world starting by a WA GBBR, I like the WA design coz they are very realistic, which is a very important part to airsoft gun. My old custom built WA GBBR with all the best parts in there, Prime and Inokatsu plus some RA-Techs , run well for the first 3 or 4 games, when it failed you just never find out why, I almost replaced all the parts in there that with those parts I can build another gun.

so like I said, IN MY OPINION, WE is a way better choice than WA for me.

[GBBR]

Originally Posted by T@NK

I don't know much about Vipertech, maybe they have a improved design, maybe, all I know is they were the manufacturer of Inokatsu before the europeans bought off Ino. I have 2 friends own Inokatsu M4 ends up hang the Ino on their wall and game with WEs. AGM...hate to hurt the AGM users' feelings but it's totally garbage, period. According to OP's question, I'd say go for the WE.

I got into the GBBR world starting by a WA GBBR, I like the WA design coz they are very realistic, which is a very important part to airsoft gun. My old custom built WA GBBR with all the best parts in there, Prime and Inokatsu plus some RA-Techs , run well for the first 3 or 4 games, when it failed you just never find out why, I almost replaced all the parts in there that with those parts I can build another gun.

so like I said, IN MY OPINION, WE is a way better choice than WA for me.

Tank, I am the current owner of the gun, the choice of body you made resulted in all the problems, also the 2 holes you drill in the BCG did not help either. I swapped out the bolt to a G&P bolt, and swapped the body to a KA body. KA body does not wobble at all! doesnt even need magic pin. as for internals the AABB steel trigger set wasnt very functional.

I have to thank you tho. I learned alot from that GBBR, whats compatable with what and why. spent over 2k on a fun learning experience, and also spend countless hours annoying the crap outta Huang

http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=145963

Here is a picture of your old receiver. I got pissed off and smashed it into my laptop. I did not lie about it lol.

I think that WA is better than WE, IF and only IF the internals are all G&P. there is a reason why they are WESTERN ARMS OFFICAL CUSTOM!.

I swapped out parts one by one and problems left, one by one

[GBBR]

Secondly, G&P Pmags go for 50$, hold 39 shots and are more gas efficent than Pro wins, they also take 5 minutes to reseal

[T@NK]

I respect your stance of 'WA is better than WE' while I am still holding mine.

Ps: the gun was tested through 5 mags with no issues in Benny's store before I sold it, 1 month later the buyer came back to me with a striped spring in the BCG and heavy wear on the bolt and metal body, he wanted me to fix it so he can sell it to the other buyer (which I assume would be you?) the 2 holes I drilled on the bolt carrier didn't effect the function of the gun as it worked perfectly before I sold it, my guess is the metal body might had some 'shape shift' by the impact of the steel BCG if it's like you mentioned. anyway, I am done with the WA guns and good luck to you. btw, the trigger group is not AABB.

[mzo]

I have a WE M4 CQBR (gas blowback), I like it alot. I have had it for a month and used it quite often (just target shooting) and it has given me no troubles. Great aim and feel too. Only complaint I have is the position of fire selector but that is not a big deal for me.

[ShelledPants]

Originally Posted by mzo

I have a WE M4 CQBR (gas blowback), I like it alot. I have had it for a month and used it quite often (just target shooting) and it has given me no troubles. Great aim and feel too. Only complaint I have is the position of fire selector but that is not a big deal for me.

Position of the fire selector is 1:1 to real steel. :|