KJW Glock 23(Metal Version)

[TheYellowDart]

I think all Glocks have plastic frames, just like the real guns.

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by Myoga

I think all Glocks have plastic frames, just like the real guns.

You thought wrong. Certain airsoft Glocks have HeavyWeight frames which are metal/abs composite material like the KSC G19, and KJW G23 and G27 FMVs..... I own 7 KSC/KWA Glocks, 2 KJW Glocks, and 4 MGC Glocks, so I have some experience with them....

[captainafternoon]

Originally Posted by ILL9MIL

Certain airsoft Glocks have HeavyWeight frames which are metal/abs composite material

But what im saying is that heavy wieght frames dont count as actual Metal because there a composite material as you said up there so it basicaly can't be a "Full Metal Version" where as a KJW M9 is actual made of metal material.

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by mrlexmark

But what im saying is that heavy wieght frames dont count as actual Metal because there a composite material as you said up there so it basicaly can't be a "Full Metal Version" where as a KJW M9 is actual made of metal material.

They still call them FMVs....probably because for a Glock, having a composite HW frame is as close to FMV as you can get.

[captainafternoon]

Ok, well that clears things up, now toobad they dont actualy make full metal lower frames eh?

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by mrlexmark

Ok, well that clears things up, now toobad they dont actualy make full metal lower frames eh?

Yeah, a metal frame would be damn weird on a Glock, the composite HW makes for a nice heavy, reliable, yet realistic Glock frame.

[captainafternoon]

Im gunna have to jack this thread... Hows your KSC Glock 19? im thinking of getting one. Did it run into any problems?

[MMMiles!]

Originally Posted by mrlexmark

Ok, well that clears things up, now toobad they dont actualy make full metal lower frames eh?

A glock with a metal slide is by definition a full metal glock, because glocks don't have metal frames...

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by mrlexmark

Im gunna have to jack this thread... Hows your KSC Glock 19? im thinking of getting one. Did it run into any problems?

KSC G19s are awesome. I own 4 of them. The biggest problem is the screw that holds the blowback chamber in place comes loose sometimes, which is easily fixed with teflon tape or a dap of locktite. I have not had any problems with mine for a long long time now. My fully upgraded pair seen here, kick some serious ass, they will shoot a 0.20g BB thru the bottom of a Coke can using a warm mag of ET1600 Lanbo Red gas.



my Super G19 seen here, is the most kick ass Glock ever....
http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=15930



I would always recommend getting a KSC G19.

[Rumpel Felt]

The KJ Glock I shot, as I said, did the job just fine. Accuracy wasn't too great but thats what 6.04mm barrels are for. Say you wanted to go all out on upgrading a KJ Glock, There would still be alot less to think about that a KSC plastic one.

I know you are going to have some argument to this but for the average airsofter who doesn't have like 10 Glocks, the KJ is going to be the best choice.

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by Rumpel Felt

The KJ Glock I shot, as I said, did the job just fine. Accuracy wasn't too great but thats what 6.04mm barrels are for. Say you wanted to go all out on upgrading a KJ Glock, There would still be alot less to think about that a KSC plastic one.

I know you are going to have some argument to this but for the average airsofter who doesn't have like 10 Glocks, the KJ is going to be the best choice.

I agree with you, If you dont care about having the BEST Glock, and money is an issue, certainly a KJW Glock is a good bet.

[captainafternoon]

Yup thats for sure, im waiting on getting my hands on a metal slide and barrel for my KJW. Than once i have some more money im gunna get a KSC Glock 19 and do a hands on compare for my self!

[Lisa]

I have to say the G19 HW is one of the nicest glocks I've used. Mines still stock and it's nicer then any of my other glocks upgraded or not.

[ILL9MIL]

Originally Posted by HonestJohn

A glock with a metal slide is by definition a full metal glock, because glocks don't have metal frames...

You are right that the real Glocks don't have metal frames, however, real Glock frames do have metal in them. The HW frames used on the KSC G19 and KJW FMV Glocks 27&23 are more like real Glock frames than the plastic ones.

Here is the direct info on what real Glock frames are really made of, from www.Glockfaq.com

"What is the Glock frame made of?
The Glock frame is made out of a high-tech plastic polymer called nylon 6. Exactly what that means, I don't know. But our resident engineer [MarkCO] was kind enough to provide some explanation:

Commerical price for hi-grade Nylon 6 is about $3.50/lb. Commerical price for hi-carbon steel is about $1.50/lb. Sounds to me like the Glock is actually a better buy. Anyway, I did a little research and got a smattering of information on the Glock plastic "formula". One source says "more highly guarded than the Coke formula". From 3 human and 5 technical sources, Glock uses an out-sourced proprietary hybrid polymer mix with a base of Nylon 6. The frames are cast and offer high strength, wear resistance, abrasion resistance, and good resiliency, good ductility and toughness. Fracture mechanics are excellent with defect ratios below 1. Do not compare to extruded Nylons because it is different. Casting prices range from $3-$50/pound depending on process and intricacy. The Glock is considered highly-intricate due to imbedded metallic components. Offers long term performance at elevated and depressed temperatures. Chemically stable in a majority of environments, attacked directly by strong acids and bases (better than steel actually). UV exposure results in degradation over an extended period of time. 2-3% carbon black virtually eliminates UV degradation and Carbon-Black does not become readily absorbed in Nylons offering higly increased useful life spans. Loss of mechanical properties with 2% Carbon-Black is less than 0.05% on an elevated UV exposure test equivalent to approximately 100 years. Hyrdolytically attacked by water in excess of 120 degrees. Basically, no hot-tubbing with your Glock and you will be fine. Tupperware is not made from Nylon BTW. Hope this answered some questions.
Good Shooting, MarkCO"

[mike46-2]

anyone know where i can find a new outer barrel for the g23 that isnt threaded? any help would be appriciated!