Systema PTW vs. Modded high-end sniper rifles

[Karma_]

This thread is stupid.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the OP isn't going to listen. You're in another country and don't know anyone here so no matter what is said you're just going to flip it off.

[Danke]

Maybe he plans to fly to Calgary, purchase a bone stock AEG from 007 or Imperial and own you all?

Maybe JOC should pool their air miles to get him a one way ticket for a game this spring?

I suggest doing it fast since he's a law student; he knows nothing now, and he'll know less if he graduates.

[ThunderCactus]

So your argument is that a fully upgraded bolt action rifle is more accurate shot per shot than a PTW?
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF GUN
That's like comparing a williams F1 to a drag racer

You're not even arguing performance anymore, you're arguing PREFERENCE between an AEG and a sniper rifle lol

My VSR back when I first upgraded it shot 380fps and I used .28s, it was deadly accurate and quiet as a gopher fart out to 200 feet. The next year I built a few high end AEG's for people, and the average accurate range of an AEG went up to about 180 feet.
So I had a 20 ft range advantage, much higher accuracy, and made no noise. I'd rack up kills anytime I took it out. But there's a few other people here with sniper rifles that perform really well, and I never have any problem taking them out with my M4.
A good player will do well, whether they have an LMG, AEG, or sniper rifle

[Fox62]

Originally Posted by ryan1796

it was a star wars laser gun like you said on the other thread.

I said that in an insulting manner, since PTWs, just like other AEGs, have no moving bolt, and sound and act as far from real guns as possible.


Fox.

[krap101]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

A good player will do well, whether they have an LMG, AEG, or sniper rifle

/thread

[Fox62]

Originally Posted by Karma_

This thread is stupid.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the OP isn't going to listen. You're in another country and don't know anyone here so no matter what is said you're just going to flip it off.

Not really, wanna get to the bottom of it.

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

So your argument is that a fully upgraded bolt action rifle is more accurate shot per shot than a PTW?
IT'S A TOTALLY DIFFERENT CATEGORY OF GUN
That's like comparing a williams F1 to a drag racer

You're not even arguing performance anymore, you're arguing PREFERENCE between an AEG and a sniper rifle lol

My VSR back when I first upgraded it shot 380fps and I used .28s, it was deadly accurate and quiet as a gopher fart out to 200 feet. The next year I built a few high end AEG's for people, and the average accurate range of an AEG went up to about 180 feet.
So I had a 20 ft range advantage, much higher accuracy, and made no noise. I'd rack up kills anytime I took it out. But there's a few other people here with sniper rifles that perform really well, and I never have any problem taking them out with my M4.
A good player will do well, whether they have an LMG, AEG, or sniper rifle

That's what I don't get, why would anyone prefer a sniper rifle that takes insane amount of work and probably the same kind of money over a fully automatic rifle that can shoot the same distance?
That's why I doubt it actually shoots that far consistently, and since nobody's showing me some well measured range tests for these guns, there's no reason to change my mind.

Originally Posted by Danke

Maybe he plans to fly to Calgary, purchase a bone stock AEG from 007 or Imperial and own you all?

Yeah, I'll be there 'round January; you know some blonde chick called Stephanie who plays airsoft over there?


Fox.

[Danke]

Stephanie always meets guys like you at the airport.

[Fox62]

Originally Posted by Danke

Stephanie always meets guys like you at the airport.

Save your efforts to work a couple more months so you can buy yourself a(nother?) PTW, and play with a gun that takes all the fun outta upgradin' and has zero recoil just for the sake of realism. Oh, I forgot, it's got a bolt catch!

[krap101]

Well here's a few for starters

Shooting w/12mph wind w/compensation - YouTube

TM VSR-10 300'+ Range Testing - YouTube

TM VSR-10 400' Shot - YouTube

[Forever_kaos]

Why would I choose a bolt action rifle over an AEG?
I like the way them oranges taste. I have to perfect my form in how I unwrap this juicy tasting fruit.

I can't just pick it up and eat it, such as an apple.

Yes, I may spend more money on the orange... But it tastes guuud.
Plus, a lot of German soldiers during WW2 were issued B.A rifles, it fits my impression if I desire to choose the role.

[Fox62]

Originally Posted by krap101

Well here's a few for starters

Shooting w/12mph wind w/compensation - YouTube

TM VSR-10 300'+ Range Testing - YouTube

TM VSR-10 400' Shot - YouTube

Yeah, exactly, those are all sniper rifles O.o I want to see a PTW doing that.


Fox.

[krap101]

Originally Posted by Fox62

That's what I don't get, why would anyone prefer a sniper rifle that takes insane amount of work and probably the same kind of money over a fully automatic rifle that can shoot the same distance?
That's why I doubt it actually shoots that far consistently, and since nobody's showing me some well measured range tests for these guns, there's no reason to change my mind.

Originally Posted by Fox62

Yeah, exactly, those are all sniper rifles O.o I want to see a PTW doing that.


Fox.

I thought you meant it the other way. I got confused in between you and ryan, but yeah... vsr ftw .

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by Fox62

That's what I don't get, why would anyone prefer a sniper rifle that takes insane amount of work and probably the same kind of money over a fully automatic rifle that can shoot the same distance?
That's why I doubt it actually shoots that far consistently, and since nobody's showing me some well measured range tests for these guns, there's no reason to change my mind.

To be perfectly frank, you can believe whatever you want, even though you are wrong. Many have seen it and done it for years. In fact, I may have been working on PTWs since before you knew what airsoft was.

Now, if you don't think that a PTW will shoot as far as your upgraded sniper rifles, perhaps you are simply a poor airsoft mechanic, or you don't undertsand the basic principals of why flight of a spherical projectile occurs the way it does. You toss around what kind of barrel and length, and this tells me right away that you don't.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Increasing barrel length has no positive effect on BB performance and in fact can be a hinderance. Barrel consistancy in dimension is far, far more important. Hop-up is more important. Consistancy of size and weight and material distribution of the projectile is far, far more important.

But please, carry on with your rant. It has provided much entertainment and will continue to do so for the remiander of your time here.

[kyle milliken]

ok this is point less lets just get a video of some one shooting a ptw at a range to prove once and for all it can do these things you have calmed.

[krap101]

Originally Posted by mcguyver

Now, if you don't think that a PTW will shoot as far as your upgraded sniper rifles, perhaps you are simply a poor airsoft mechanic, or you don't undertsand the basic principals of why flight of a spherical projectile occurs the way it does. You toss around what kind of barrel and length, and this tells me right away that you don't.

I'll let you in on a little secret. Increasing barrel length has no positive effect on BB performance and in fact can be a hinderance. Barrel consistancy in dimension is far, far more important. Hop-up is more important. Consistancy of size and weight and material distribution of the projectile is far, far more important.

I understand that an aeg *can* shoot as far, but at higher fps, there is a distinct advantage to manually cycling the bolt, you'll have more durability with a BA sniper rifle, and more consistency in long range.

I believe the analogy could be something like how bolt action sniper rifles (RS) are beginning to lose their edge to semi-automatic rifles (M110, M82 etc), where they are more or less on par accuracy-wise with their bolt action cousins.

I would love to see a ~550 fps side by side done between a ptw and fully upp'd vsr, and round for round, I'd expect the vsr to win by a decent amount. hits/second would be a different issue entirely though (pretty sure ptw would dominate)

As to barrel length, I do agree that finish/consistency is a major factor, but the barrel needs to be "long enough" so that the bb can stabilize, and after that, a longer barrel won't serve much of a purpose, except maybe increase fps by a little bit, assuming the cylinder has enough volume.

I'd also like to add compression to the accuracy-determining factors.