ARES M4 SIR-M VS G&G M4 Commando Max. Opinions?

[L473ncy]

G&G is probably the best choice. It's like the Tippmann A5 or 98 of the airsoft world. Great starter guns and great mid level guns too.

Now granted I started off with a custom gun I bought off the classifieds but if I were to do it again today I would look at the G&G first then if I had a bit of money to step it up go with a King Arms or VFC. G&P I can't really recommend to new players unless they're willing to dump another ~$70 + labour (if mechanically inclined like an Engineer) or a gundocs time (average $20-25/hr for this service) to replace the stock gears with something that doesn't suck balls and shear off in the first like 5 shots.

PS: What ThunderCactus says is right. I was actually shooting at like 360 FPS on .20's for the longest time before I upgraded my spring to get ~400 FPS. The previous owner of the rifle had a bunch of quality upgrade parts in it (G&P hopup unit, helical gears, motor, and what I believe to be a Guarder black rubber). It shot straight and far on .28's outdoor. It was no PTW but it was definitely a lot better than people who just toss in an M120 into their gun and call it a day. All I did last month was put in a Tight Bore Barrel and new spring and it's a beastly laser.

Go with an M100, a quality Tight Bore, and maybe a Madbull hop up unit (comes with bucking) (or I like Prometheus hop ups and buckings) and you can have your own indoor and outdoor beast of a rifle.

[Krooger]

The indoor limit is 320fps and outdoor is 425fps.
Since I am new I these number mean little to me, I can't imagine 320 cutting it for a 425 max but maybe I dunno.

I thank everyone for the input. It looks like I'm going with the G&G M4 Commando, which in the end was the one I was drawn to so that's good.

Now I just got to find one! My local store is out and my AV isn't up yet

My brother is also looking into the RS AK Type 56. ooooo that gun looks sooo nice, but Ill save that for another thread, another time

[ThunderCactus]

If it makes you feel better, I've seen 350fps guns out range 470fps sniper rifles.
You'd be REALLY surprised what kind of range and accuracy you can get out of a 320fps gun.
For example, I bought a STOCK marui P90, put a guarder clear hop rubber in it, threw in some .25s, and it was shooting really accurately out to 200 feet! Took the BB a while to get there, but it got there.

[iKliiu]

I suggest the Ares. I find that it's a good brand. My Ares G36 shot a 50 cm x 50 cm target at around 200 feet stock.

The internals were also good. Strong gears, a 7 steel tooth polycarbonate piston (very similar design the to the prometheus hard) and shimming and greasing out of the box was quite good. Air seal was ok, but after a new nozzle it is perfect.

[ThunderCactus]

The comparison is between M4s, not G36s.
There are fundamental differences in the two than inherently make the G36 more accurate.

And I've taken apart an ARES G36 before, absolute nightmare to work on. Never working on another one ever again.

[iKliiu]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

The comparison is between M4s, not G36s.
There are fundamental differences in the two than inherently make the G36 more accurate.

And I've taken apart an ARES G36 before, absolute nightmare to work on. Never working on another one ever again.

Good point, I actually have no idea how the Ares M4 stacks up.

I've found it extremely easy to work with. Easy takedown to the gearbox and the quick change spring guide allows reassembly to be a piece of cake. Internal parts are of excellent quality too.

[ThunderCactus]

excellent quality as compared to what?