CBC: The Trouble with Fake Guns

Ktown Militia · February 28th, 2009, 02:30

thats what im sayin man, we need better PR.

Crunchmeister · February 28th, 2009, 02:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by kullwarrior

Seriously someone should write about our site 007, velocity arms etc about the 18+ requirement we have in Canadian Retailers

I can see it now - the followup report on a national-level web site that facilitates the illegal sales of airsoft guns and exposing all the retailers that sell non-clear guns to Canadians... They won't give a shit about our 18+ policy and AV system.

Armandhammer · February 28th, 2009, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airmax

I think most of us want "Airsoft" to be taken out of the Grey area and placed as an "Sport" similar to PB or something else that would allow more growth for our sport or hobby, However you want to go with it, To allow this situation to be finally looked at!

One day

Ktown Militia · February 28th, 2009, 02:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crunchmeister

I can see it now - the followup report on a national-level web site that facilitates the illegal sales of airsoft guns and exposing all the retailers that sell non-clear guns to Canadians... They won't give a shit about our 18+ policy and AV system.

LOL, thats why we need a good, canadian rep/retailer to show that we strive for 18+ for airsoft. Although technically its legal to have at any age, it should be shown that the majority of the AS community is behind the 18+ "rule," and that our games, campaigns, or whatever is strictly policed (or so i hope) by airsofters themselves.

I hope im making sense.

MadMax · February 28th, 2009, 02:50

So is the report posted anywhere where one can see it online?

Slade · February 28th, 2009, 02:57

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/t...guns/main.html

Ktown Militia · February 28th, 2009, 02:58

http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/t...guns/main.html

Ronan · February 28th, 2009, 03:27

Fucking idiots (and that reportage is a waste of money).

"A gun is a gun"... no. I MUCH prefer being scared and having a BB gun pointed at me (even if i think its a real one), than actually having a REAL one.

SURE! You get one heck of a scared, but you won't die (unless you have a heart attack). If anything i wish criminals used more fake guns than real one's, so that if shit happens, the victim don't end up DEAD.

Oh and the whole thing of kids beinging fake guns to school, so what? Treat them as if they had real one's. If they get shot and die at the end, well its to be expected. People are worrying to much about the criminals... if you are dumb enough to publicly pull out a fake (or real) gun, then its only normal to end up injured or dead.

MadMax · February 28th, 2009, 03:31

I've seen that already. Has anyone recorded and posted the full report?

Conker · February 28th, 2009, 03:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadMax

I've seen that already. Has anyone recorded and posted the full report?

That http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/t...guns/main.html is the full report.

Ronan · February 28th, 2009, 03:41

Side note, I 100% agree that airsoft/bb guns should be regulated. Keep them out of the hands of kids, and make it a legal process for them to be owned.

Brian McIlmoyle · February 28th, 2009, 03:48

4 hours of footage gets run down to.

Pretty much .. the most significant points that I hoped thy would keep made it in there.

1. in a free society I should be able to participate in activities I enjoy if i'm not harming anyone

2. regulation is an acceptable check on proliferation

Also... Gunny Rabbit rocks!!

MadMax · February 28th, 2009, 04:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Comanche

That http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/t...guns/main.html is the full report.

Sorry, it started looking so much like their previous trailer. I didn't realize that it was the report.

Janus · February 28th, 2009, 05:47

Two points I would like to raise.

1. <3 Brian. You put a respectable face on this community.

2. Airsoft done properly does not hurt anyone. Continue to do it properly and you can expect to be left to do it for as long as you like.

Mr.Shiney · February 28th, 2009, 08:14

I watched the Market Place item on line. Here is the major problem with their arguement as I see it.

Ethics, Morales, and Responsiblity can be taught, however due to free will, they may not be easily practised. Moreover Common Sense, may not be that common.

I have been around firearms most of my life. I had my FAC at age 14, I was involved in competitive shooting, joined the Military at age 17. I spent eight years in the Regular Forces of the CF. I do not believe that there is any such thing as an accident in relationship to firearms safety. It is either an act of ignorance or user stupidity.

Although regulation may not be the most wanted answer by some, it might have some impact. However consider 99.75 percent of all firearms crimes(in Canada) involve illegally maintained and acquired firearms, by persons who have not followed the licencing procedures. So that would mean you would need about 1000 firearms crimes to have a legimate owner involved in a firearms crimes. Most typically the crime that the legimate owner would be involved in is a Storage/Transport or possibly a Grandfathering issue related firearms crime. Even if regulation was to occur the numpties out there would still get a hold of a airsoft or clearsoft(spray painted black) or even .177 pellet pistol and commit acts of stupidity and/or criminal intent.

Which would still put Law Enforcement in a position to possibly shoot someone with a replica or look a like firearm. Well if you are honestly stupid enough to display a weapon or even a replica weapon in public. Regardless of criminal activity or not - YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET. Be that charges. Be that Jail. Be that a Search Warrant on your Residence. Be that Dead.

What really amazed be about the piece was in the Police Detachment Parking Lot they set up an improvized / expedient range. No Range Safety Officer, No Safety Briefing, No backstop, No Safety Equipment, and No Safe Handling Practices in place. Amazing how safety was not a concern.

The onus is on US the responsible users/owners of the Airsoft Community. We need to take up one united voice. Lobby to have a new set of rules, that make sense to our sport, allow us to regulate the sport. Force retailers to only sell to adults, and prove the age, recording IDs. Get CBSA to come in line with the actual legislation. Do not allow govermental bodies to adhoc create legislation due to ignorance, stupidity, boredom or wrongful interpretation.

Ubique
Osons

Michael

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February 28th, 2009, 02:30	#241
Ktown Militia Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kelowna BC	thats what im sayin man, we need better PR. __________________

February 28th, 2009, 02:50	#245
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	So is the report posted anywhere where one can see it online? __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

February 28th, 2009, 02:58	#247
Ktown Militia Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Kelowna BC	http://www.cbc.ca/marketplace/2009/t...guns/main.html __________________

February 28th, 2009, 03:31	#249
MadMax Delierious Designer of Dastardly Detonations Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: in the dark recesses of some metal chip filled machine shop	I've seen that already. Has anyone recorded and posted the full report? __________________ Want nearly free GBB gas?

February 28th, 2009, 03:48	#252
Brian McIlmoyle 8=======D Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Toronto	So thats what 4 hours of footage gets run down to. Pretty much .. the most significant points that I hoped thy would keep made it in there. 1. in a free society I should be able to participate in activities I enjoy if i'm not harming anyone 2. regulation is an acceptable check on proliferation Also... Gunny Rabbit rocks!! __________________ Brian McIlmoyle TTAC3 Director CAPS Range Officer Toronto Downtown Age Verifier OPERATION WOODSMAN If the tongue could cut as the sword does, the dead would be infinite

February 28th, 2009, 05:47	#254
Janus Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Red Deer, AB	Two points I would like to raise. 1. <3 Brian. You put a respectable face on this community. 2. Airsoft done properly does not hurt anyone. Continue to do it properly and you can expect to be left to do it for as long as you like. __________________ Age Verifier - Lower Vancouver Island Brotherhood of Nod - Nod Prime \|\| Vancouver Island Airsoft League - President Unavailable for AV until April 2020.

February 28th, 2009, 08:14	#255
Mr.Shiney Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: London,Ontario	I watched the Market Place item on line. Here is the major problem with their arguement as I see it. Ethics, Morales, and Responsiblity can be taught, however due to free will, they may not be easily practised. Moreover Common Sense, may not be that common. I have been around firearms most of my life. I had my FAC at age 14, I was involved in competitive shooting, joined the Military at age 17. I spent eight years in the Regular Forces of the CF. I do not believe that there is any such thing as an accident in relationship to firearms safety. It is either an act of ignorance or user stupidity. Although regulation may not be the most wanted answer by some, it might have some impact. However consider 99.75 percent of all firearms crimes(in Canada) involve illegally maintained and acquired firearms, by persons who have not followed the licencing procedures. So that would mean you would need about 1000 firearms crimes to have a legimate owner involved in a firearms crimes. Most typically the crime that the legimate owner would be involved in is a Storage/Transport or possibly a Grandfathering issue related firearms crime. Even if regulation was to occur the numpties out there would still get a hold of a airsoft or clearsoft(spray painted black) or even .177 pellet pistol and commit acts of stupidity and/or criminal intent. Which would still put Law Enforcement in a position to possibly shoot someone with a replica or look a like firearm. Well if you are honestly stupid enough to display a weapon or even a replica weapon in public. Regardless of criminal activity or not - YOU DESERVE WHAT YOU GET. Be that charges. Be that Jail. Be that a Search Warrant on your Residence. Be that Dead. What really amazed be about the piece was in the Police Detachment Parking Lot they set up an improvized / expedient range. No Range Safety Officer, No Safety Briefing, No backstop, No Safety Equipment, and No Safe Handling Practices in place. Amazing how safety was not a concern. The onus is on US the responsible users/owners of the Airsoft Community. We need to take up one united voice. Lobby to have a new set of rules, that make sense to our sport, allow us to regulate the sport. Force retailers to only sell to adults, and prove the age, recording IDs. Get CBSA to come in line with the actual legislation. Do not allow govermental bodies to adhoc create legislation due to ignorance, stupidity, boredom or wrongful interpretation. Ubique Osons Michael

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