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[K3vX]

As said before, the warranty here is not the issue, as he (mcguyver) is able to do the correction himself.
Personally, after such a review, I understand 100% why he prefer to do it himself. I would do the same.

I think the main conclusion here should be: everyone concerned, listen to what he says, and learn from him.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by K3vX

As said before, the warranty here is not the issue, as he (mcguyver) is able to do the correction himself.
Personally, after such a review, I understand 100% why he prefer to do it himself. I would do the same.

I think the main conclusion here should be: everyone concerned, listen to what he says, and learn from him.

It was never about the warranty but the review Brad given is like complete opposite what myself and other owners have experienced especially when it comes to the CNC body I'm no CNC specialist but I think myself and the rest of the other owners can tell whether a CNC body is poorly machined, the details which Brad described I went through myself with my own rifle and have found no similarities or even close to what he has described. I run a systema cylinder on my 416 without the fitment issue Brad has mentioned, I have a RS CTR stock of my RS VLTOR Carbine that fit with no issue, no wobble. A CNC body is precise, FCC body I find when assembling my XM kit is a bit more precise resulting in a tighter fit than my Prime or my stock Systema and it fit and shoot without issue. The reason for my interest in this matter is because of what Brad has said which is completely reversed and far off from what I or everyone ese who have the FCC rifle have experienced that it's almost unbelieveable, if it were not for Brad's expertise in PTW a whole bunch of us would have dismissed it as a troll.
In any case Win from FCC has already respond so hopefully Brad do get in touch with them.

[mcguyver]

I will take the 416 out on Thursday and Saturday to run it through its paces. Now, I won't be able to really judge performance as it no longer has the factory hopup. It was not up to my standards so it now has a modifed adjuster.

I will be able to judge the mechanics of the gun. After that, and when I have some time, I will break it all down into a concise point-by-point post to detail everything I have seen, every modification or repair I have had to make. I have already sent pictures up the chain.

If you all can be patient for perhaps a week, I will have more for you.

And FCC guys, I will let you know what I have found. Rest assured that so far I have not found any systemic faults with your products. There have been some tolerance issues, some quality control issues and some performance issues which I have been able to address already. However, I am able to do it, some folks are not. Your product can be better, and getting there is not difficult, but does require some perserverence and attention to details.

I will conact you when I have more information for you.

I should also note that the only reason I did not return it is because the time and cost involved to send it back to Chris was really a pointless excersise as I could fix it up myself in much less time and with less expense. The issues I noted on teardown would likely have been missed by oretty much everyone anyways. Not to dis anyone, but I am very thorough and very fussy, as I expect, or better demand, performance, as I know what the platform is capable of. I am not concerned if my warranty is void, there is pretty much nothing in the PTW platform I can't handle, except the armature rewind, I send those to Tony.

[Nova316]

I have heard many good reviews about the HK416D but one bad one though, even tho it wasn't that bad as the new ones come with Tango grips. I'll have to take a very close look at one myself to see if I notice these problems as I have built and fixed a lot of TW.

I have been following the Zero Dark Thirty HK416D build for a while now on FCC/FCC Canada and notice that they are for sale at the Double Tap Tactical Website.

Do you have any idea when they will be in?
Are the presales there because there are only 14 of them?

Sorry for the thread hijack but I'll review it when I get one in my hands to see if what I find matches up with Mcguyvers, also seeing his points that he brought up. Thanks.

[wildcard]

Originally Posted by Nova316

I have heard many good reviews about the HK416D but one bad one though, even tho it wasn't that bad as the new ones come with Tango grips. I'll have to take a very close look at one myself to see if I notice these problems as I have built and fixed a lot of TW.

I have been following the Zero Dark Thirty HK416D build for a while now on FCC/FCC Canada and notice that they are for sale at the Double Tap Tactical Website.

Do you have any idea when they will be in?
Are the presales there because there are only 14 of them?

Sorry for the thread hijack but I'll review it when I get one in my hands to see if what I find matches up with Mcguyvers, also seeing his points that he brought up. Thanks.

There was 15 and yes the preorder is due to the small limited number and TW-Works got the other 38 units with ambi selector for their grand opening special eta for their arrival is mid to end of july

[wildcard]

416D AOR waiting clearcoat

[SuperHog]

What is the optimal barrel length where there is no more performance gain?

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by SuperHog

What is the optimal barrel length where there is no more performance gain?

Depends on alot of factors.

M4 is the maximum length (373 mm) in a Systema. Assuming the barrel ID is consistant, and that the hopup is the best performer available, and the cylinder is well maintained and consistant.

I have very good success with the CQBR, that is all I use.

[ThunderCactus]

Most feedback from PTW users say they get better results with a 7.5" barrel than a 14.5" barrel.

[mcguyver]

Originally Posted by ThunderCactus

Most feedback from PTW users say they get better results with a 7.5" barrel than a 14.5" barrel.

I can confirm this as false, with testing of various barrel lengths with the same hopup type. The 7.5" was consistantly the worst performer, with range at 225 feet vs 250 feet with 10.5", and velocity consistantly 30fps less with the 7.5", regardless of the cylinderin velcoties from 330-530 fps.

The consistantly best performer is Jonas's 14.5" PDI barrel with modified hopup. It is a tackdriver and he can hit out to 300 feet reliably.

[wildcard]

7.5" are mostly used for CQB engagements, for outdoors stick to 10'5 or 14" anything more than that is a waste