WE AK-74U - was good, now bad

[Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BlackBerry

umm..Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the dynamic cylinder on the new rod translate to increased rate of fire? If so, that would be awesome!

yes, it's called short-stroking. it's being done on both WE and WA systems. they keep pushing for stronger recoil with heavier parts, and this causes the fire rate to decrease quite a bit while dramatically increasing gas consumption. the only way to get the fire rate back up is to short-stroke the carrier. for the AR platform this means that the bolt catch feature no longer works. the most ridiculous short-stroke i have seen was done on a WE M4 where the carrier only went back far enough to reset the hammer (maybe 1 1/2 inch travel). it got the rate of fire up around 20 bb/s. i personally think the trade off is not worth it. the parts wear down faster and are more prone to breaking, and the bottom line for me is that it is unrealistic. the whole point of GBBRs is to have realistic function, and for me that along with reliability comes well before recoil.

[Strelok]

Hmm, Might have to add that to my parts order for my AK.

Just got my WE AK PMC today, really nice . Going to work on getting rid of the rails and get some nice russian wood on it.

Curious if anyone would be up to doing a receiver swap? Buffer tube for a folding stock?

[Strelok]

Hey there.

Just noticed with my WE ak that the bottom of the receiver where the triggerguard/mag release lever screws into bends out over time. The metal they used for the AK's body is incredibly thin, kinda worrisome .

[TPM001]

Originally Posted by Strelok

Hey there.

Just noticed with my WE ak that the bottom of the receiver where the triggerguard/mag release lever screws into bends out over time. The metal they used for the AK's body is incredibly thin, kinda worrisome .

Just like the real thing...

They used steel for the trigger guard and receiver so I'm not sure what else you expect? Titanium? At least it's better than aluminum or pot metal.

The thickness is the same as the real thing. I guess they could have made it thicker but that would take away from the realism.

You have to understand that the real AK is built similar to this. Don't expect an M4 carbine type of build. AK's are built cheaply for a purpose.

[Strelok]

Please, I don't need to be lectured like a child on the 'cheapness' of an AK. I understand that much, but I'm certain the gauge of steel they use on the real AK is still a good bit thicker than what WE has used. I don't care if the gun is dimpling in or out or shit like that. I'm just concerned whether this would affect the seal the magazine makes with the loading nozzle over time, and I'm curious whether anyone has experienced any issues with this.

[TPM001]

Originally Posted by Strelok

Please, I don't need to be lectured like a child on the 'cheapness' of an AK.

Says the guy with a white ducky with a blue sailor's hat as an avatar....

Sorry, couldn't resist...

[Dynamo]

Originally Posted by TPM001

Just like the real thing...

They used steel for the trigger guard and receiver so I'm not sure what else you expect? Titanium? At least it's better than aluminum or pot metal.

The thickness is the same as the real thing. I guess they could have made it thicker but that would take away from the realism.

You have to understand that the real AK is built similar to this. Don't expect an M4 carbine type of build. AK's are built cheaply for a purpose.

there are many different grades of steel. just because WE says they use steel just like the real AK, doesn't mean the steel used is the same. a real AK you can drive a truck over and it wouldn't even brake the charging handle off the carrier, and would operate just fine afterwards. try that with a WE AK.. pancake.

[Brian McIlmoyle]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

there are many different grades of steel. just because WE says they use steel just like the real AK, doesn't mean the steel used is the same. a real AK you can drive a truck over and it wouldn't even brake the charging handle off the carrier, and would operate just fine afterwards. try that with a WE AK.. pancake.

mmmmmmm pancake.. i'm a waffle guy myself

[Coresair]

Originally Posted by Brian McIlmoyle

mmmmmmm pancake.. i'm a waffle guy myself

"WOOD WAFFLES : Come get a taste!"

[turok_t]

Here are some of my work in progress for RS parts for the WE AK...Modding required

RS trigger guard
RS bakelite grip
RS grip screw
RS magazine release
RS magazine release spring
RS selector
RS flash hider

More RS parts to come...

[Latvian291]

In addition to WE wood, the trigger group upgrade from RA tech, I've already done the RS fire selector mod, it is a pain in the bum. And turok, your grip says "US" on it - is your gun supposed to be a "replica of a replica" made with US law compliant parts? Use a real Russian grip, damn it. :P

[Latvian291]

Originally Posted by Dynamo

there are many different grades of steel. just because WE says they use steel just like the real AK, doesn't mean the steel used is the same. a real AK you can drive a truck over and it wouldn't even brake the charging handle off the carrier, and would operate just fine afterwards. try that with a WE AK.. pancake.

Real AKM receivers are about 1mm thick. The strength comes from the rivets and pins inserted into the body as well as the shape. Russian steel isn't particularly good or strong. It was mined with obsolete technology until the bitter end of the Soviet Union.

[turok_t]

Originally Posted by Latvian291

In addition to WE wood, the trigger group upgrade from RA tech, I've already done the RS fire selector mod, it is a pain in the bum. And turok, your grip says "US" on it - is your gun supposed to be a "replica of a replica" made with US law compliant parts? Use a real Russian grip, damn it. :P

Im gonna be trying some RS AK wood and ditch my RATech wood. I have installed the RAtech trigger kit, dynamic spring and heavier recoil rod (im planning to use all RATEch internals). I agree that the RS fire selector mod is gonna be a pain and require careful precision in order for the selector to work properly. RS AK parts were hard for me to source out, and alot of places were out of stock for items I was looking for.. so I just got the US version...I also have a front sight that needs to be heavily modded too, thats gonna be even more of a pain.

[Latvian291]

Originally Posted by turok_t

Im gonna be trying some RS AK wood and ditch my RATech wood. I have installed the RAtech trigger kit, dynamic spring and heavier recoil rod (im planning to use all RATEch internals). I agree that the RS fire selector mod is gonna be a pain and require careful precision in order for the selector to work properly. RS AK parts were hard for me to source out, and alot of places were out of stock for items I was looking for.. so I just got the US version...I also have a front sight that needs to be heavily modded too, thats gonna be even more of a pain.

I notice your fire selector isn't a military fire selector either? If they are not replaced with military parts I just don't see the point. The stock WE ones are very good quality, just not true to the real gun (which was only a military gun, no civilian version). So the civilian parts seem to me just spending money for the sake of spending money.

If you're interested in military parts there's some in stock here:

http://soviet-military.com/catalog/ak-pistol-grips

and here:

http://soviet-military.com/catalog/ak-parts?page=1

Both less than $20!! : )

I've dealt with them before; good company.

[turok_t]

Originally Posted by Latvian291

I notice your fire selector isn't a military fire selector either? If they are not replaced with military parts I just don't see the point. The stock WE ones are very good quality, just not true to the real gun (which was only a military gun, no civilian version). So the civilian parts seem to me just spending money for the sake of spending money.

If you're interested in military parts there's some in stock here:

http://soviet-military.com/catalog/ak-pistol-grips

and here:

http://soviet-military.com/catalog/ak-parts?page=1

Both less than $20!! : )



I've dealt with them before; good company.

Oh yeah, I visited this site before, do they ship to Canada? Any problems with custom?