is the actually against the law?

cranberry · February 20th, 2008, 17:35

ok, so i took my reciever into a laser engraving company to have it engraved with canadian forces marking's, but the women ( who was just a reseptionist) saw the reciever looked at me paniced and said " is that a real gun".... now i knwo most of u are pissed off at me for walking in public with this but here is the full story..... i phoned ahead of time, told them what i wanted done, told them i was brinign the peace down and they wre fine with it. the second i got there and this receptionist saw the reciever ( no other parts were onit.. just a blank reciever) she freaked out.. she started saying " that better not be real, we arnt touchign that, thats against the law etc..." i got fed up with he rbull shit and made it clear that it was just a toy and i already phoned there place and i was told on the phone it would be ok. she stopped being a bitch for about 2 minytes and let me show her what i wanted done to it. i showed her a picture of a reciever with the engraveings on it. she freake dout again and said i need permision from the canadian military to put those markings on the gun. well i argued with her for about 5 minutes and just gave up.. this women just didint want me there and was scarred as shit that i was talking about a TOY gun. i went back home and looked it up nd i cnt find ANYTHING saying its against the law to engrave military markings on anything. all i can find is how its illegal to make a replica that works the same as the real one.... nothign about looks, just the way it works...

should i go back there and ask to speak with teh manger, or should i leave this one alone and keep waiting till a receiver with canadian marking's pops up on the market?

Thanks

Cranberry

Moderate · February 20th, 2008, 17:39

Go to a different laser engraving company, if these guys don't want your business, then that's their problem.

cranberry · February 20th, 2008, 17:44

but is this really against the law? i already found another company thats going to do it.. but i more or less just wana get this bitch fired or something....

Maverick0 · February 20th, 2008, 17:47

Closest thing I could find was that it's illegal to impersonate military personnel... nothing about engraving military markings on anything. Hell, look at Marui's, their armalites say property of the US Gov't on them etc...

GraveTech · February 20th, 2008, 17:57

Copyright infringement? I am sure they aren't aloud to do company logo's without the express written consent of the company or individual that owns the logo. You don't own the forces logo so that may be their worry.

Bowers · February 20th, 2008, 18:01

i say you shoulda asked for the manager the first time

cranberry · February 20th, 2008, 18:01

but there is nothing on the gn that is owned by the government. its an egraveing of a canadian flag.. thats all.. the rest is all words that say " C7 Canadian forces etc..." how can that be a lgo?.. i didint knwo it was against the la to engrave the canadian flag on something

Blackthorne · February 20th, 2008, 18:02

Since you don't have your profile filled in, can you tell us all the name of the place and what city it's in so we can avoid them?

Bowers · February 20th, 2008, 18:02

not even a flag just a maple leaf

how many people over the years have gotten a maple leaf tattoo? do i need permission from the government to get a tattoo now?!

The Saint · February 20th, 2008, 18:03

Contact the person you originally spoke to and relay your experience to him. It might not even be the place for that ignorant receptionist to say no to you.

hattrick · February 20th, 2008, 18:05

I would have slapped her, in fact where is this place?

cranberry · February 20th, 2008, 18:07

its a place called inovative laser works its in winnipeg manitoba

GraveTech · February 20th, 2008, 18:12

It's not the fact that it's a maple leaf, you can have that done anywhere. You have a maple leaf and some text below it, you have a logo.

Apoc_ · February 20th, 2008, 18:35

I spoke to our unit security officer (I work for DND, but as an overpaid civilian) and was told that exact duplication of CF markings is illegal. Technically, any use of DND/CF logos or markings anywhere is. Even posting a picture of the markings you wanted on the receiver in this forum would be. However, there's no chance of prosecution so that receptionist was just being paranoid.

Danke · February 20th, 2008, 18:52

This sounds like another great case for some common sense.

1) Any business can refuse to service you, sometimes the reasons may not seem "fair" but that's how society works. You can't expect that person at the door to recognize that what you're carrying is what you say it is. It screams machine gun.

2) The general public in Canada does not like guns, toy guns, training guns, pictures of guns, and so on. It sounds like you made a good first step by inquiring by phone but then it fell apart face to face.

3) No doubt they get other requests to engrave items with trademarks and have a blanket policy of refusing to do so. Counterfeiting is a hot button topic even when the guy coming through the door says it's for personal use, or a practical joke if they don't know you then they don't trust you.

So take what you've learned here in hand, don't go back there. Walk in empty handed to the next place, tell them exactly what you want and why and make sure that if they say it can be done you deal face to face with that person when you bring the parts in. Preferably in a nondescript package, not a gun case or slung under a trench coat.

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February 20th, 2008, 17:35	#1
cranberry Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008	is the actually against the law? ok, so i took my reciever into a laser engraving company to have it engraved with canadian forces marking's, but the women ( who was just a reseptionist) saw the reciever looked at me paniced and said " is that a real gun".... now i knwo most of u are pissed off at me for walking in public with this but here is the full story..... i phoned ahead of time, told them what i wanted done, told them i was brinign the peace down and they wre fine with it. the second i got there and this receptionist saw the reciever ( no other parts were onit.. just a blank reciever) she freaked out.. she started saying " that better not be real, we arnt touchign that, thats against the law etc..." i got fed up with he rbull shit and made it clear that it was just a toy and i already phoned there place and i was told on the phone it would be ok. she stopped being a bitch for about 2 minytes and let me show her what i wanted done to it. i showed her a picture of a reciever with the engraveings on it. she freake dout again and said i need permision from the canadian military to put those markings on the gun. well i argued with her for about 5 minutes and just gave up.. this women just didint want me there and was scarred as shit that i was talking about a TOY gun. i went back home and looked it up nd i cnt find ANYTHING saying its against the law to engrave military markings on anything. all i can find is how its illegal to make a replica that works the same as the real one.... nothign about looks, just the way it works... should i go back there and ask to speak with teh manger, or should i leave this one alone and keep waiting till a receiver with canadian marking's pops up on the market? Thanks Cranberry

February 20th, 2008, 18:02	#8
Blackthorne A Total Bastard Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Consecon, Ontario	Since you don't have your profile filled in, can you tell us all the name of the place and what city it's in so we can avoid them? __________________ VINCITE OMNIMODO

February 20th, 2008, 18:03	#10
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	Contact the person you originally spoke to and relay your experience to him. It might not even be the place for that ignorant receptionist to say no to you. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

February 20th, 2008, 17:39	#2
Moderate Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Under a Bridge	Go to a different laser engraving company, if these guys don't want your business, then that's their problem.

February 20th, 2008, 17:44	#3
cranberry Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008	but is this really against the law? i already found another company thats going to do it.. but i more or less just wana get this bitch fired or something....

February 20th, 2008, 17:47	#4
Maverick0 Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Winnipeg	Closest thing I could find was that it's illegal to impersonate military personnel... nothing about engraving military markings on anything. Hell, look at Marui's, their armalites say property of the US Gov't on them etc...

February 20th, 2008, 17:57	#5
GraveTech Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kitchener, Ontario	Copyright infringement? I am sure they aren't aloud to do company logo's without the express written consent of the company or individual that owns the logo. You don't own the forces logo so that may be their worry.

February 20th, 2008, 18:01	#6
Bowers Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2007	i say you shoulda asked for the manager the first time

February 20th, 2008, 18:07	#12
cranberry Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008	its a place called inovative laser works its in winnipeg manitoba

February 20th, 2008, 18:12	#13
GraveTech Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kitchener, Ontario	It's not the fact that it's a maple leaf, you can have that done anywhere. You have a maple leaf and some text below it, you have a logo.

February 20th, 2008, 18:35	#14
Apoc_ Eagle Eye Trader rating Join Date: May 2007 Location: Winnipeg MB	G'day, I spoke to our unit security officer (I work for DND, but as an overpaid civilian) and was told that exact duplication of CF markings is illegal. Technically, any use of DND/CF logos or markings anywhere is. Even posting a picture of the markings you wanted on the receiver in this forum would be. However, there's no chance of prosecution so that receptionist was just being paranoid. __________________ Offense cannot be given, only taken. APOCALYPSE - TEAM HELLFISH

February 20th, 2008, 18:52	#15
Danke Prancercise Guru Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Danger Zone	This sounds like another great case for some common sense. 1) Any business can refuse to service you, sometimes the reasons may not seem "fair" but that's how society works. You can't expect that person at the door to recognize that what you're carrying is what you say it is. It screams machine gun. 2) The general public in Canada does not like guns, toy guns, training guns, pictures of guns, and so on. It sounds like you made a good first step by inquiring by phone but then it fell apart face to face. 3) No doubt they get other requests to engrave items with trademarks and have a blanket policy of refusing to do so. Counterfeiting is a hot button topic even when the guy coming through the door says it's for personal use, or a practical joke if they don't know you then they don't trust you. So take what you've learned here in hand, don't go back there. Walk in empty handed to the next place, tell them exactly what you want and why and make sure that if they say it can be done you deal face to face with that person when you bring the parts in. Preferably in a nondescript package, not a gun case or slung under a trench coat.

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