20 mW Green lasers for ~$70 CAD

Affliction · July 13th, 2007, 00:45

Came across Conscript's thread in the classifieds (Selling em for $90 shipped) and did a bit of searching on the web. This site sells them for $58.57 US (A bit more than than $60 CAD after exchange rates) with FREE shipping (Even to Canada). Needless to say I've bought one and a friend has as well.

As far as border fees, I incurred a fee of approximately $10 (I'm assuming added GST / PST) though my friend didn't have any extra duties.

In terms of quality, the laser is quite visible but the aiming rings are not functional (or at least I could not turn them with my hands).

Link here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5027

*edit* I'll add some pictures of it mounted on my M4 when I get my camera back.
-VM

The Saint · July 13th, 2007, 00:54

20mW? That's well into the eye-damaging range, isn't it?

A couple weeks back at a night game, I got lasered in the eye across almost the entire length of FR (DL-Kuwait). I don't know what the output was, but it really hurt and scared the crap out of me. I think we need some sort of field limit in Ontario for lasers.

Styrak · July 13th, 2007, 01:24

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Originally Posted by The Saint

20mW? That's well into the eye-damaging range, isn't it?

A couple weeks back at a night game, I got lasered in the eye across almost the entire length of FR (DL-Kuwait). I don't know what the output was, but it really hurt and scared the crap out of me. I think we need some sort of field limit in Ontario for lasers.

Hmm. This doesn't add up. Wikipedia says Class IIIa lasers are 1-5 mW, not 20. But the site (right on the laser) claims 20 mW.

Affliction · July 13th, 2007, 01:29

People really shouldn't be bringing lasers to games anyways. They're more of a cosmetic detail that some enjoy having. Aside from being dangerous to the eye, a person could just follow the green laser back to your gun and shoot you.

For the most part, its just something fun to play with, even when its not mounted on your gun.
-VM

Qlong · July 13th, 2007, 10:47

Are you saying that there is no way of adjusting windage and elevation?

ancorp · July 13th, 2007, 12:42

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Originally Posted by Qlong

Are you saying that there is no way of adjusting windage and elevation?

Who in the world said that? Of course you can.

Ibby · July 13th, 2007, 13:08

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Originally Posted by VipaMave

People really shouldn't be bringing lasers to games anyways.

+1!

The look cool factor doesn't equal the liability they create.

Freedom Fighter · July 13th, 2007, 17:33

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Originally Posted by Qlong

Bravo for the post. *claps slowly*

Good for you and the 2 point infraction I gave for your snarky post in the other thread. I removed it but you know exactly what I'm talking about.

Smarten up.

surebet · July 14th, 2007, 00:49

*pouf*!

Conscript · July 14th, 2007, 00:59

Nice going there, boycotting and trying to undermine another member?

See, theres a difference in my lasers and these "Dealextreme" ones (though they are the same pictures), my lasers are in country and ready to go, and they probably don't take like 4 weeks to come, or get charged with customs...

I buy my lasers for $70 US each in my case, and if you think Dealextreme or ebay or any other sites out of Canada are cheaper, go with your gut and order, but I am keeping my price firm.

Affliction · July 14th, 2007, 07:27

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Originally Posted by Conscript

Nice going there, boycotting and trying to undermine another member?

See, theres a difference in my lasers and these "Dealextreme" ones (though they are the same pictures), my lasers are in country and ready to go, and they probably don't take like 4 weeks to come, or get charged with customs...

I buy my lasers for $70 US each in my case, and if you think Dealextreme or ebay or any other sites out of Canada are cheaper, go with your gut and order, but I am keeping my price firm.

If I was trying to be an asshole, I could just do what you're doing. I could purchase a bunch off this site and retail them with a $20 mark-up (and a nice $200 profit for every "10 person pre-order). Then you'd have a little competition too.

I received my laser from DX 12 days after ordering which isn't too bad at all. I order hundreds of dollars worth of stuff from the US yearly and CBSA has never imposed a mark-up more than the GST or PST for products less than $100 (Most of the time there is not even any border fees).

Where do you get off on me trying to boycott and undermine you? Finding a cheaper alternative and sharing it with the ASC community?

By the way, if thats the LXGD JG-10A you're selling, it does not come with an IR filter (You claim yours does). The guys at DX confirmed for me that these china-lasers lack IR filters. You shouldn't even be looking at a 20 mW beam without eye protection.
-VM

Qlong · July 15th, 2007, 01:15

Hey theres a website which gives some decent info on these higher output green lasers, shows you can take apart an old webcam and use its IR filter to filter out some 80 percent of the outputting IR

http://www.felesmagus.com/pages/lasers-cheap.html

I still wouldn't look into them though.

Gryphon · July 15th, 2007, 01:29

FWIW, the Manitoba Airsoft Association has banned any laser that is, or is suspected to be, over 5 mW. We have a local laser expert that has a power meter which can determine the true power of these items, and some of these 20 mW lasers are actually closer to 65 mW. Extremely dangerous. I try not to look at the specular reflection of a green laser, never mind into it!

Affliction · July 15th, 2007, 01:51

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Originally Posted by Qlong

Hey theres a website which gives some decent info on these higher output green lasers, shows you can take apart an old webcam and use its IR filter to filter out some 80 percent of the outputting IR

http://www.felesmagus.com/pages/lasers-cheap.html

I still wouldn't look into them though.

Great link, I learned quite a bit from it.

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Originally Posted by Gryphon

FWIW, the Manitoba Airsoft Association has banned any laser that is, or is suspected to be, over 5 mW. We have a local laser expert that has a power meter which can determine the true power of these items, and some of these 20 mW lasers are actually closer to 65 mW. Extremely dangerous. I try not to look at the specular reflection of a green laser, never mind into it!

I would suspect it would be a good idea to simply prohibit lasers in general. A person could have a laser without an IR filter on his gun and nobody would be the wiser.
-VM

Gryphon · July 15th, 2007, 07:04

But that's going down that slippery slope that a lot of people don't like. There are many lasers out there that are safe and effective; don't forget we have a very prominent indoor facility here and lasers are not uncommon to use in CQB. Certainly anything American made such as an Insight M6X I would put complete faith in, it's these overpowered cheap Asian lasers bring imported and sold with wrong data markings and dangerous output that are the issue.

Just as in gun control, punishing an entire group because of the actions of one is a poor way of doing things, and especially so if you have the means to correct the offenders. Our laser guy not only can measure laser output, but knows how to tune lasers down using their internal varistors (which most of them have) so their output is at a safe level.

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July 13th, 2007, 00:45	#1
Affliction a.k.a. Fury a.k.a. VipaMave Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Markham-ON	20 mW Green lasers for ~$70 CAD Came across Conscript's thread in the classifieds (Selling em for $90 shipped) and did a bit of searching on the web. This site sells them for $58.57 US (A bit more than than $60 CAD after exchange rates) with FREE shipping (Even to Canada). Needless to say I've bought one and a friend has as well. As far as border fees, I incurred a fee of approximately $10 (I'm assuming added GST / PST) though my friend didn't have any extra duties. In terms of quality, the laser is quite visible but the aiming rings are not functional (or at least I could not turn them with my hands). Link here: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.5027 edit I'll add some pictures of it mounted on my M4 when I get my camera back. -VM Last edited by Affliction; July 13th, 2007 at 00:47..

July 13th, 2007, 00:54	#2
The Saint Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Quebec	20mW? That's well into the eye-damaging range, isn't it? A couple weeks back at a night game, I got lasered in the eye across almost the entire length of FR (DL-Kuwait). I don't know what the output was, but it really hurt and scared the crap out of me. I think we need some sort of field limit in Ontario for lasers. __________________ "The Bird of Hermes is My Name, Eating My Wings to Make Me Tame."

July 14th, 2007, 00:49	#9
surebet Vicious MSPaint Wizard Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Longueuil, Quebec	pouf! Last edited by surebet; August 7th, 2007 at 02:32.. Reason: I was an ass, sorry!

July 13th, 2007, 01:29	#4
Affliction a.k.a. Fury a.k.a. VipaMave Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Markham-ON	People really shouldn't be bringing lasers to games anyways. They're more of a cosmetic detail that some enjoy having. Aside from being dangerous to the eye, a person could just follow the green laser back to your gun and shoot you. For the most part, its just something fun to play with, even when its not mounted on your gun. -VM

July 13th, 2007, 10:47	#5
Qlong Division Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Are you saying that there is no way of adjusting windage and elevation?

July 14th, 2007, 00:59	#10
Conscript AKaholic Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: GTA	Nice going there, boycotting and trying to undermine another member? See, theres a difference in my lasers and these "Dealextreme" ones (though they are the same pictures), my lasers are in country and ready to go, and they probably don't take like 4 weeks to come, or get charged with customs... I buy my lasers for $70 US each in my case, and if you think Dealextreme or ebay or any other sites out of Canada are cheaper, go with your gut and order, but I am keeping my price firm. Last edited by Conscript; July 14th, 2007 at 01:02..

July 15th, 2007, 01:15	#12
Qlong Division Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Scarborough, Ontario	Hey theres a website which gives some decent info on these higher output green lasers, shows you can take apart an old webcam and use its IR filter to filter out some 80 percent of the outputting IR http://www.felesmagus.com/pages/lasers-cheap.html I still wouldn't look into them though.

July 15th, 2007, 01:29	#13
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	FWIW, the Manitoba Airsoft Association has banned any laser that is, or is suspected to be, over 5 mW. We have a local laser expert that has a power meter which can determine the true power of these items, and some of these 20 mW lasers are actually closer to 65 mW. Extremely dangerous. I try not to look at the specular reflection of a green laser, never mind into it!

July 15th, 2007, 07:04	#15
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	But that's going down that slippery slope that a lot of people don't like. There are many lasers out there that are safe and effective; don't forget we have a very prominent indoor facility here and lasers are not uncommon to use in CQB. Certainly anything American made such as an Insight M6X I would put complete faith in, it's these overpowered cheap Asian lasers bring imported and sold with wrong data markings and dangerous output that are the issue. Just as in gun control, punishing an entire group because of the actions of one is a poor way of doing things, and especially so if you have the means to correct the offenders. Our laser guy not only can measure laser output, but knows how to tune lasers down using their internal varistors (which most of them have) so their output is at a safe level.

20 mW Green lasers for ~$70 CAD

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