QD Silencer.

[dutchydoc]

Hey just wondering if i was to get silencers machined to be the same specs. as this http://www.icsbb.com/order/e_detail....&ProductID=569
would anyone be interested in purchasing one? I already have one that came with my C-15, but i belive i should be able to get them made for at least half the MSRP. so please PM me if you are interested..

[stokes]

Id be interested... it would also depend on the quality...

[thephenom]

As long as you beat the prices of the current ones on the market.

[dutchydoc]

yes i agree i wouldnt try to sell a piece of junk, also like i said i should be able to get them for roughly half the price of current silencers...I am still waiting to hear from the shop but should know with'n the week at wich point i will post a link to pictures and price. Also the more people i can find the cheaper it becomes so ask around if i have to get 30 or so of them made i would probobly need a minimal deposit but im not positive yet.

[Greylocks]

Be careful about what you manufacture for a commercially viable business. If it looks like a gun part, or even worse for you actually works well, you could have a very long talk with the authorities.

Again, that falls into the category of "How does the Official feel like this morning?" situation.

[dutchydoc]

yes i realize it may look strange to be making silencers, but since i live in a small town know the shop owner that would be manufacturing the parts and also know the majority of the police, I doubt i would get into any trouble plus the fact they only look like a silencer on the outside, the inner workings are not even remotely similiar

[Greylocks]

If you think that knowing folks makes a difference to the laws, you need a reality check.

Even airsoft silencers use a form of baffle system. The law does not care what kind of silencer it is either.

If you want to do this, get ALL the right business permits including an armorer's or gunsmith license. Cover yourself.

You are not the first, or the last, new person who said they wanted to build things. Pretty much all who had not considered the legal and paperwork aspects quit their ideas.

So if you want to do this, do it right and good luck on it. Ok?

the whole make your own silencer thing has never done very well really. By the time your done dealing with the complications of the -14mm thread...you have already spent alot more then the cost of a WGC one...and its hard to beat the quality and price of some silencers on the market...considering you grab one up in a group order...

[dutchydoc]

have a look at the picture folks, its a qd silencer wich wliminates the -14 thread. as for baffles whatever man they are made of foam and it is perfectly legal to make one no matter what you may think.Since i know the owner of the machine shop hes giving me a deal so i really dont think it will be expensive but non the less if you feal that your trashing my thread is fun go to it, i simply asked who would be interested i didnt ask for a legal prosacution thanks though!

[Greylocks]

You did not read what I said. What I think is not important at all. It's what the people who enforce the laws think.
And the laws have nothing to do with how you interpret them. It's up to you to follow them. Officers interpret them.
I'm telling you the legal risk, Droc is telling you the cash problem. We're telling you that you are not the first to try.

I even told you to take care and wished you luck. That's called criticism. Not trashing. Criticism is stuff you can fix, should fix, or look at before you start. If I was you, I'd look seriously at the paperwork needed to cover your ass.

If you dont want to, fine.

Now that you know the problems; do what you want.

[Dracheous]

Settle down Dutchy. They really are just trying to help, though it may not seem that way. But yeah they've had alot (repeat) ALOT! of promises like this before.


Here's the thing that makes this polling easier for you. If you build it, they will come. If you sell it cheap, you will run out. If you do this wrong, you may get charged!

So the basics is, its not impossible, making silencers IS illegal, and if asked you would NEED to prove how these are merely props and not real. All he's saying is that you gotta watch what you do.

[dutchydoc]

Well after lots of time I figured out that I can not feasibly build a copy of the ICS Q.D. Silencer, this lack of feasibility is due to cost only and not the law. Due to the overly complicated Quick detach mechanism the cost of said silencer would be around three hundred dollars unless your building a couple hundred....
On the bright side of things a threaded silencer can be built cheaply and i hope to have a few sometime in the early new year...... According to the Canadian Criminal code a prohibited device is

(a) any component or part of a weapon, or any accessory for use with a weapon, that is prescribed to be a prohibited device,

(b) a handgun barrel that is equal to or less than 105 mm in length, but does not include any such handgun barrel that is prescribed, where the handgun barrel is for use in international sporting competitions governed by the rules of the International Shooting Union,

(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm,

For the purposes of sections 91 to 95, 99 to 101, 103 to 107 and 117.03 of this Act and the provisions of the Firearms Act, the following weapons are deemed not to be firearms:

(d) any other barrelled weapon, where it is proved that the weapon is not designed or adapted to discharge

(i) a shot, bullet or other projectile at a muzzle velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or at a muzzle energy exceeding 5.7 Joules, or

(ii) a shot, bullet or other projectile that is designed or adapted to attain a velocity exceeding 152.4 m per second or an energy exceeding 5.7 Joules.

So it is legal to posses them under the criminal code of Canada. Furthermore Airsoft weapons are not subject to the regulations governing firearms because they do not meet the definition of a firearm.

so the law says I'm good to go and I was pointed to the above information by Insp. Gerry Salisbury of the Eastern Region Headquarters (O.P.P.)
3312 County Rd. 43 E., Box 2020, Smiths Falls, ON K7A 5K8

Also can someone please list as many of the thread sizes (barrel end) so that i can figure out what to build....

[dutchydoc]

Can anyone list the known thread sizes for the barrels, ie:14mm reverse thread......

[Dirty Deeds]

Originally Posted by dutchydoc

(c) a device or contrivance designed or intended to muffle or stop the sound or report of a firearm

And it will be up to you to explain to a judge that you were in fact trying to manufacture a replica and not an actual silencer for real steel.

Maybe you should inquire what the charge is for manufacturing a replica of a prohibited device.

Originally Posted by dutchydoc

Furthermore Airsoft weapons are not subject to the regulations governing firearms because they do not meet the definition of a firearm.

No but they are considered replicas and are subject to laws governing replica firearms. Which replicas are then subject to other laws such as manufacturing of replica firearms and manufacturing of prohibited replica firearm parts.

Also as I said above it will be up to you to prove that you were not manufacturing real silencers, and one thing for sure (if you had any idea how actual silencers were made), you would realize how easy it would be for the crown to make you look like a black market silencer producer, just by looking at your "fake" silencer.

[dutchydoc]

Actually I'm well aware of how a silencer works (yes i have the Internet also) and i don't need any forum trolls coming in to give me shit. Maybe you missed the part where I was talking to the head of the OPP? I'm sure your just concerned for my well being but i think i can handle myself.....if I get charges brought onto myself well then i guess that's my problem....also I have my many reel-steel weapons...so i don't know why you assume I'm some dumb kid...I have two brothers both serving in Sandbox of Iraq...I'm a duel citizen so maybe instead of assuming things you could just answer a simple question when its asked.....I don't believe anywhere in my posts that i asked about the legality of this If i wanted to smell shit i would jam my head in an asshole...This seems to be an ongoing problem...someone asks a question and suddenly there are twenty experts and twenty lawyers telling said person there personal opinion even if it wasn't asked for.