Which bolt action sniper rifle should I purchase?

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by ArcticFox1984

I am a little confused about why this age verification is so important, it's not like im trying to buy a gun from anyone so whats the big deal?

I work alot and don't have time to show my ID to some guy I've never met before so a bunch of people on an airsoft forum know what age I am, it doesn't realy seem like a priority.

As for going to games and trying guns, I've done that many times in my seven years of playing airsoft and have a very good idea of what to expect from certain companies like KG, who I believe will be entering into direct competition with Tokyo Mauri for the mid/high end airsoft market very soon. ( they have already honestly. )

I would suggest trying to get your hands on their new clone of the G-36 and try it out... you'de never know it was only a few hundred dollars unless someone told you.

Good luck convincing people here that the China guns are worth anything. It's been tried, and failed miserably.

[philstructo]

Purchase all of them

[ArcticFox1984]

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm simply saying that china airsoft companies are changing, they have a better infrastructure for manufacturing airsoft weapons and have begun making guns with the sole intention of making an affordable product of equal ( or superior ) quality then well known Japanese makes.

If you are trying to say that China as a country isn't capable of producing a quality airsoft product then you are sorely mistaken.

[kalnaren]

Originally Posted by ArcticFox1984

If you are trying to say that China as a country isn't capable of producing a quality airsoft product then you are sorely mistaken.

I'm not saying anything. From what I've read I agree with you, but I haven't yet used a china gun. I'm just saying no amount of convincing is going to change the attitude of most of the people on this forum.

[philstructo]

I had a china gun it was an M4A1 Electric gun and all i can say is it shot worse than a srosman battery powered uzi i could throw a bb harder

[thephenom]

Originally Posted by ArcticFox1984

I am not trying to convince anyone of anything, I'm simply saying that china airsoft companies are changing, they have a better infrastructure for manufacturing airsoft weapons and have begun making guns with the sole intention of making an affordable product of equal ( or superior ) quality then well known Japanese makes.

If you are trying to say that China as a country isn't capable of producing a quality airsoft product then you are sorely mistaken.

They are capable, but are the currently quality up to Japanese/Taiwan/HK manufacturing, absolutely not. As much as Chinasoft is gaining some quality, please don't spin the story as they are the same quality level as the first tier manufacturers. (And yes, I've owned a couple of TM cloned chinasoft before.)

You have to remember, China only has the labour advantage over other countries. So for capital intensive products, ie ones that require heavy investment in manufacturing machineries won't see the benefits of having cheap labour as much. You also have to compare the quality of material they use to see where they are saving money. You also have to think about how many labour hours are put into each airsoft, and I don't suspect it to be that many man-hours since assembling all the parts shouldn't take more than 3hrs. When all the above are considered, only then can you really say "Chinese airsoft are cheaper because of this".

If you hold material quality and built quality constant, I don't suspect the airsoft to be half the price of what a TM, CA or G&P would cost just because of cheap labour.

Kind of a long post, but all I'm saying is that the cheap labour doesn't reflect the price of airsoft, it's other parts they are cheaping out. Strength of springs, bushings, shimming, gearbox, gears, piston, piston head, cylinder, and motor. All these parts will likely to have some compromise to attribute to the cheaper price tag.

[ArcticFox1984]

I agree with you and wouldn't try to be able to ( or want to ) defend many second teir airsoft companies or their products, I simply see what I see and after being able to test my friends JG G36C clone I can tell you that there is realy nothing wrong with the quality of that weapon. I held alot of presumptions about it but after being able to play with it I am just amazed, it feels solid and fires as dependably and accuratly as my upgraded TM AUG-SRT.

I won't be seeing the spring version till next week but I expect to be pleasantly suprised again.

[thephenom]

Originally Posted by ArcticFox1984

I agree with you and wouldn't try to be able to ( or want to ) defend many second teir airsoft companies or their products, I simply see what I see and after being able to test my friends JG G36C clone I can tell you that there is realy nothing wrong with the quality of that weapon. I held alot of presumptions about it but after being able to play with it I am just amazed, it feels solid and fires as dependably and accuratly as my upgraded TM AUG-SRT.

I won't be seeing the spring version till next week but I expect to be pleasantly suprised again.

The thing people worry about isn't out of the box, of course it'll shoot fine since it's a direct copy of a proven design that's been around for years, but rather 5000 rounds later, what would happen to cheaper internals. Just because it performs out of the box doesn't make it durable, nor does it make it the same quality since durability is part of quality.

AFAIK, the JG G36C is made out of ABS, yes that might be up to par with the TM G36C, but CA has raised the ante on the G36 with their risen body that has been agreed to be generally more solid than any other G36 out there.

So really, while the Chinasoft companies are playing catchup to the original quality, tier-1 manufacturers are under constant improvements to justify the higher price tag.

BTW, I forgot to mention this on the last post, but you said you've been playing for 7yrs, and your lack of time to do age certification. Is it really that time consuming to spend the extra 5 minutes at the game to talk to an age verifier?

[ArcticFox1984]

I've been playing for 7 years but only started using these forums over the past week, airsoft and computers are two different catagories and due to some changes at work I had to learn to use forums properly which now allows me to know what I'm doing here...

And I realy haven't had any need for airsoft forums as I still use the first and only airsoft gun I've ever owned, a TM... so theres your quality in action I suppose.

I just wanted some advice before buying an inexpensive spring rifle so I decided to join the community.

[thephenom]

Originally Posted by ArcticFox1984

I've been playing for 7 years but only started using these forums over the past week, airsoft and computers are two different catagories and due to some changes at work I had to learn to use forums properly which now allows me to know what I'm doing here...

And I realy haven't had any need for airsoft forums as I still use the first and only airsoft gun I've ever owned, a TM... so theres your quality in action I suppose.

I just wanted some advice before buying an inexpensive spring rifle so I decided to join the community.

How did you find games before you used the forums? =P

Here's the thing, as much as Chinasoft has been improving on the last 2-3yrs, the quantity of those imported in are still smaller than the tier-1 brands. So unlike asking for help for your TM Aug, you won't be able to get much feedback since most users have not dealt with most Chinasoft models. Whatever opinion you get from the CDN user base will largely come from reviews they have read on the interweb or feedbacks from other forums.

Just because a gun is a clone of TM, it doesn't mean it'll take the abuse of a TM. And the money you save from getting a Chinasoft isn't worth it in the long run just to maintain it's stock shape.

[Greylocks]

Let's keep it simple. Pretty much all of us are advising you that it's a bad idea.

You seem to think it's a good idea no matter what we say.

So... buy it, find out for yourself. Dont come asking us how to make it work later.

If you want to understand the rules of these forums, including the age-verification bit, read the Newbie guide. You may be experienced, but you are still a newbie here and there's stuff you should read.

[ArcticFox1984]

I totally understand where you guys are coming from and agree with your views, I probably wouldn't invest in any of the cheap AEG's but when it comes to a cheap lil spring rifle I don't mind spending a bit of money and taking a chance when there are so few things that could go wrong ( 6 moving parts or something? ) and so many people with great experiences buying the same model I want, I'm not trying to seem like im ignoring what your saying... quite the opposite it has given me alot to think about, but what I was in the market for was a cheap airsoft gun of decent quality and I think I got that one covered now.

This might be hard to understand with so many quality products available but I just want something to lug through the mud and I wouldn't wish the fate of this rifle on anything worth a damn. lol.

I have been reading alot of the posts on these forums and so far have found it all very informative, I am trying my best not to ask a question that hasnt been asked already... which is tough cause you guys have covered alot of ground here!


The plain fact of the matter is, when you buy a CA or a TM you have something to be proud of. When you buy china soft, as a previous poster said you get what you pay for... and in this case it isn't something to write home about. But it should get the job done, and if something does go wrong, it is a exact copy so all parts and fixes should be the same, which is pretty much the one factor that made me decide to try it out and see what I think in the long run, something that is hard to do testing out other peoples arms at a local game or similar situation.

Anyway I can tell I'll get alot more out of these forums then I'm gonna be able to put in for a while, but I'm working on it! And I'll try to contact one of the age verifying agents for next weekend and hopefully be able to meet them on my day off, if not for the purpose of being able to purchase airsoft through this website then just to show respect to the standards and practices of the community.

Thanks to everyone who submitted their opinions to my first ever post, it was educational!

ArcticFox1984