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malachite · January 13th, 2007, 15:07

ok well im glad that some 1 asked this question.. working with with ppl who deal with explosives and working with them my self now i have come across a fair bit of info. first firecrackers in canada are illegal.. 2nd makeing any form of pyrotechnics is illegal, wether it be smoke bomb, or some form of charge to throw bb's everywhere, or just playing with some left over gunpowder. u need a pyrotechnics licence to be able to do this. not the display fireworks licence. 3rd throwing any form of explosive designed to dispell "shrapnel" (bbs in these cases) is not safe. the concusive wave from the dispeling charge can do serious damage even if it is not superfisal. 4th pyrotechnics have a half decent chance(pending on the season) to start fires or bring unwanted attention to our endangered sport.

thats just my 2cents

Gryphon · January 13th, 2007, 17:29

Yep, but even the Pyrotechnics certificate has limited value in the production of articles. You must be of the Special Effects Pyrotechnician class which means a minimum of four years of verifiable employment in the SFX industry and progression through the Assistant and Pyrotechnician classes. My boss is the only one on our staff that is an SFX Pyrotechnician, the rest of us are all Pyrotechnicians or Assistants. I've also got my Level 2 fireworks card. To properly and legally manufacture explosive devices you require a factory license and further have the article approved by CERL.

malachite · January 13th, 2007, 22:41

good call i was just being general about it
i didnt have all the details about that class.
just shows how serious this stuff is
either way its just not a good idea to build things that burn unless your a professional

"do not try this at home"

SnakeDoctor · January 13th, 2007, 23:21

Very informative. So if I wanted to use grenades, where could I find some, and where could I also get smoke grenades?

Gryphon · January 14th, 2007, 00:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnakeDoctor

Very informative. So if I wanted to use grenades, where could I find some, and where could I also get smoke grenades?

I hear there's something about this in the Parts & Accessories forum...

R.A.T.M._JLD · January 14th, 2007, 00:27

Has any one used King Arms (or others like it) Cartridge with Rubber Bullet?
http://www.kingarms.com/productpage.asp?prodid=825

mcguyver · January 14th, 2007, 00:34

The foam ones from MM will leave a pie-plate sized welt on a big man at 20 feet. I think the rubber job would be a severe projectile on a human, but nice for anti-material use.

Darklen · January 14th, 2007, 01:42

Foam rubber anyone?

seabass · January 14th, 2007, 02:09

when spring comes around, or perhaps sooner, i would like to purchase some of those, also thanks again for the bb loader, it didnt get much use, damn flu

peace

Korneil · January 14th, 2007, 03:47

We've talked a lot about pyro grenades but if CO2 gas or any other gases could be used would it be safe and legal to use? Here i'm not talking about the weight factor that maybe involved in such a device, this being in a different part of the problem of creating a grenade expelling BB's. This question is especially directed to Gryphon and Malachite who seems to have a good experience with Explosives.

fasterbassdrums · January 14th, 2007, 05:28

id take a rubber shell in the torso just not in the face, ive been walloped by far worse. id love to see an effective airsoft grenade produced tho.

Lifehost · January 14th, 2007, 13:48

http://cgi.ebay.com/6-pack-of-AG-01-...QQcmdZViewItem

These have been around for awhile...

You can't tell me that THESE are illegal at games... safe as they are?

That would be helli-lame.

Gryphon · January 14th, 2007, 14:26

The AG-01 grenades are perfectly legal, as are any others that use CO2 or propane, etc. to expel BBs. I have a TG6 Thumper grenade that is powered by CO2 and is absolutely fantastic. It's expensive and not the kind of thing you want to toss into thick bush, but it's a terror in CQB. The burst diaphragm "cap" can be filled with BBs and it creates a hell of a spread.

I keep telling people to check these out but the same ones that'll drop hundreds or thousands of dollars on guns and gear won't buy a reusable hand grenade for $120.

That's ok though, just means more fun for me.

Coma · January 14th, 2007, 14:30

I've seen them used. They are, excuse the pun, hit and miss. We play on a mostly bush field and so they tend to hit a branch and explode on impact. Although I have seen them used to good effect in certain scenarios.

Krieg · January 14th, 2007, 15:32

LOL Simon I almost bloody "killed" myself with the AG-01 last game.

As you said that was the special "silence of the branch" effect

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January 13th, 2007, 23:21	#19
SnakeDoctor Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Waterloo, Ontario	Very informative. So if I wanted to use grenades, where could I find some, and where could I also get smoke grenades? __________________ "The developed country spends around £20 billion a year on aid and over £500 billion on military weapons." "In 10-15 years, one of the worlds problems will be gone."- Yogi Satyam I'm worth $1,788,050 on HumanForSale.com Force 32 Team Forum

January 14th, 2007, 00:27	#21
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January 14th, 2007, 00:34	#22
mcguyver Trader rating Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Northern Alberta	The foam ones from MM will leave a pie-plate sized welt on a big man at 20 feet. I think the rubber job would be a severe projectile on a human, but nice for anti-material use. __________________ Age verifier Northern Alberta Democracy is two wolves and a sheep discussing what's for dinner. Freedom is the wolves limping away while the sheep reloads. Never confuse freedom with democracy.

January 13th, 2007, 15:07	#16
malachite Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nanaimo bc	ok well im glad that some 1 asked this question.. working with with ppl who deal with explosives and working with them my self now i have come across a fair bit of info. first firecrackers in canada are illegal.. 2nd makeing any form of pyrotechnics is illegal, wether it be smoke bomb, or some form of charge to throw bb's everywhere, or just playing with some left over gunpowder. u need a pyrotechnics licence to be able to do this. not the display fireworks licence. 3rd throwing any form of explosive designed to dispell "shrapnel" (bbs in these cases) is not safe. the concusive wave from the dispeling charge can do serious damage even if it is not superfisal. 4th pyrotechnics have a half decent chance(pending on the season) to start fires or bring unwanted attention to our endangered sport. thats just my 2cents

January 13th, 2007, 17:29	#17
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	Yep, but even the Pyrotechnics certificate has limited value in the production of articles. You must be of the Special Effects Pyrotechnician class which means a minimum of four years of verifiable employment in the SFX industry and progression through the Assistant and Pyrotechnician classes. My boss is the only one on our staff that is an SFX Pyrotechnician, the rest of us are all Pyrotechnicians or Assistants. I've also got my Level 2 fireworks card. To properly and legally manufacture explosive devices you require a factory license and further have the article approved by CERL.

January 13th, 2007, 22:41	#18
malachite Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: nanaimo bc	good call i was just being general about it i didnt have all the details about that class. just shows how serious this stuff is either way its just not a good idea to build things that burn unless your a professional "do not try this at home"

January 14th, 2007, 01:42	#23
Darklen Administrator Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Red Deer, AB	Foam rubber anyone? __________________ *ASC Age Verifier for Red Deer & Area Alberta*

January 14th, 2007, 02:09	#24
seabass trevorthetwigyalienman Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Prince edward island	when spring comes around, or perhaps sooner, i would like to purchase some of those, also thanks again for the bb loader, it didnt get much use, damn flu peace __________________ Age Verifier for PEI (out of town) ...talk to phil, PM for details

January 14th, 2007, 03:47	#25
Korneil Trader rating Join Date: May 2005 Location: Baie-Comeau, Quebec	We've talked a lot about pyro grenades but if CO2 gas or any other gases could be used would it be safe and legal to use? Here i'm not talking about the weight factor that maybe involved in such a device, this being in a different part of the problem of creating a grenade expelling BB's. This question is especially directed to Gryphon and Malachite who seems to have a good experience with Explosives. __________________ http://korneil.labrute.fr Teamwork is essential; it gives the enemy other people to shoot at. - Murphy's Law of combat ""There are no atheists in foxholes" isn't an argument against atheism, it's an argument against foxholes." - James Morrow

January 14th, 2007, 05:28	#26
fasterbassdrums Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: NANAIMO BC	id take a rubber shell in the torso just not in the face, ive been walloped by far worse. id love to see an effective airsoft grenade produced tho. __________________ G&P car 15. KSC 1911 G&G m4 gbbr

January 14th, 2007, 13:48	#27
Lifehost Trader rating Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada	http://cgi.ebay.com/6-pack-of-AG-01-...QQcmdZViewItem These have been around for awhile... You can't tell me that THESE are illegal at games... safe as they are? That would be helli-lame.

January 14th, 2007, 14:26	#28
Gryphon Trader rating Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: MB	The AG-01 grenades are perfectly legal, as are any others that use CO2 or propane, etc. to expel BBs. I have a TG6 Thumper grenade that is powered by CO2 and is absolutely fantastic. It's expensive and not the kind of thing you want to toss into thick bush, but it's a terror in CQB. The burst diaphragm "cap" can be filled with BBs and it creates a hell of a spread. I keep telling people to check these out but the same ones that'll drop hundreds or thousands of dollars on guns and gear won't buy a reusable hand grenade for $120. That's ok though, just means more fun for me.

January 14th, 2007, 14:30	#29
Coma Age Verification Removed Due To Trade Dispute Trader rating Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Midland	I've seen them used. They are, excuse the pun, hit and miss. We play on a mostly bush field and so they tend to hit a branch and explode on impact. Although I have seen them used to good effect in certain scenarios. __________________ Chairsofter extraordinaire

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