I give up need a GBBR

[lurkingknight]

Id take the WE g36... everything I hear about it tends to be positive... minus the damn mags being cumbersome with the nubs.

[Kozzie]

Get a KJW .22

[daishi]

Keep the suggestions coming, no WE please! Gona make a purchase this thursday/friday...so if your a retailer, make me an offer!

[BennyBoy]

your Scar H and a Umarex G36KV GBBR (VFC) =D

[Ready]

Pretty much everything available to you has already been brought up. You don't have a lot of options with your...."restrictions".

[Viperfish]

Originally Posted by Ready

You could try a KJW KCO2. Problem is the mags are a bit awkward to insert and release, and it shoots a little high (460 I think) out of the box.

You are way off with this.

Daishi if you want a good reliable gas gun that wont need much work then the KC02 is your best bet, dollar for dollar there isnt a gas gun out there that will take as much punishment.

The second you get into an M4 system your looking at issues. problem is most gas guns are alot of work and money but my experience mainly lies with the kc02

[THe_Silencer]

Originally Posted by Viperfish

dollar for dollar there isnt a gas gun out there that will take as much punishment.

Your statement may or may not be true but I've witness a friend's KC02 mags just spontaneously explode and leak gas everywhere. He was gaming it and left the mags in the shade and it just randomly happened. He other mags also suffered from similar failures as well. Don't know if this happened to anyone else but just be aware the mags will likely need work.

[Viperfish]

Originally Posted by THe_Silencer

Your statement may or may not be true but I've witness a friend's KC02 mags just spontaneously explode and leak gas everywhere. He was gaming it and left the mags in the shade and it just randomly happened. He other mags also suffered from similar failures as well. Don't know if this happened to anyone else but just be aware the mags will likely need work.

That is fairly common if you do not reseal them but it is extremely simple and can be done in less then 5min.

Im actually going to post up a simple tutorial on how to do it soon.

Aside from the seal going it will never leak and seeing as that is the only problem you are likely to have with the gun id say that fairly good for a gas gun.

[TaroBear]

Considered a GBB pistol instead, Daishi? I highly recommend a Marui 1911. I can't emphasize enough how amazing they are.

[Strelok]

i second the KWA Mp7. The gun is a naildriver, the gas consistency is unbeatable and its just a great gun overall, i really regret selling mine. even over my kc-02 and any of the we guns i owned.

Currently testing out a VFC Mp5 once im healed up though

[kylem_8]

Vfc mp5?

[kullwarrior]

NO M4 GBBR...that killed about 80% of all manufactures out there
NO WE GBBR...of the remaining 20% you've killed another 10%

There's are what's left
GHK AKM (Gen2 AK) ->Out of your price range
GHK AK74 series (Gen1 AK, discontinued) ->Quality is worse than WE
VFC G36 series (full size non-available) ->not very common
VFC MP5 series ->has its own issue much like WE...except baseline is more expensive
SRC AK74 series ->quality is much like Gen1 GHK AK
SRC G36 series ->There's only one in Canada....007Airsoft has it

KSC by definition is pistol with M4 being exception
Maschinepistole 7/9

I suggest you look into WE as an option unless you're looking at MP5 or G36 Top brand so far....
M4 ->KJW, KSC, WE (all three had their own issues, disputable)
SCAR -> WE (VFC has yet to release it)
PDW -> WE
M14 -> WE
L85 -> WE
G36 -> VFC
MP5 -> VFC
AK 47 series -> GHK
AK 74 series -> WE

[Rommen]

I know you said no M4s, but the KJW M4 is really nice. It needs no upgrades out of the box, but there are performance enhancing parts available. It is also reasonably priced (~$400 for a new one and 2 mags). Mags are another issue with GBBRs, luckily it isn't too hard to find them for the KJ. Very nice gun for a good price, if you can adjust to the AR platform

[kullwarrior]

Originally Posted by Rommen

Mags are another issue with GBBRs

Availability is never the issue
Price is one of the issue
Usability is another issue


KJW's mag is very usable but the price kills

[Curo]

WE mags are awesome cause they are cheap and resealing isn't hard Zongs method cost me 10 dollars to easily do 10 mags that HAVE NO LEAKS after treatment.