KJW or WE GBBRs?

Stealthee · December 15th, 2011, 14:20

I've never used KJW so I can't compare, but I do own a WE. From my experience, they perform fantastic when they work, but somewhere along the way, you WILL experience some type of problem varying from minor to a little more PITA issues.

WE mags do leak like a bitch, but if you can reseal them (which is fairly easy), they'll be better than new. WE VN mags I haven't used yet, but will get some after hearing that they are very good.

One of the sweetest things about the WE system is that you can make it almost all out of real steel parts (modifications may apply) even down to little parts like pins. There's a lot of aftermarket support for the WE, you can use both airsoft or real parts.

For the KJW platform, I'm not sure if it's the same, maybe someone else can verify.

Reckless · December 15th, 2011, 14:53

to answer the direct question... which company makes a better GBBR ... which I see as which is a better GBBR stock out of the box

KJW

now as for which one to buy... that's all up to the consumer really...

do you want a GBBR that's as utterly authentic in everyway possible, has parts and upgrades everywhere and you can throw parts on it to your hearts content... then WE ...

you want a GBBR that you can pull out of the box, only have to add the internal part to make it legal to play in your area, gas it and run it .. KJW

personally the only real reason I don't have a GBBR m4 .. is cause no ones brought out a short/VN etc style mag for the KJW m4 yet

it all comes down to whats important to you

Crunchmeister · December 15th, 2011, 15:14

I would lean towards WE just for the fact it has a ton of aftermarket parts. Should anything in a KJW fail (please correct me if I'm wrong), you're pretty much limited to replacing it with KJW parts. I don't know, but if something is to break, I'd rather have the option of replacing it with a stronger aftermarket part than the same stock part that broke in the first place. If something in your WE fails, you can replace wiht aftermarket RA-Tech (or other) steel parts that will basically never break or wear.

Personally I haven't tried a KJW and can only speak for my own experience with my WE PDW that I used extensively throughout the summer with only 1 small failure to the nozzle spring, which was an easy fix. Otherwise it's performed flawlessly for tens of thousand rounds now with only regular cleaning as maintenance.

But I'd say overall both are excellent guns for the money, and you have to make your own choice which to go for.

Sequential · December 15th, 2011, 15:34

KJW offers amazing reliability right out of the box. WE isn't so great, but after a few mods (RA-tech) and what not the WE guns are pretty good.

KBarlow · December 15th, 2011, 21:20

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Originally Posted by Sequential

KJW offers amazing reliability right out of the box. WE isn't so great, but after a few mods (RA-tech) and what not the WE guns are pretty good.

That seems to be what everyone is saying, but 50 votes later and it is still perfectly even.

White_knight · December 16th, 2011, 10:13

or buy both, get the KJW to play with and rely on, then build a WE over time to get your mod on. thats what im doing anyway. also LAW airsoft is coming out with STANAG style mags for the KJ

Eeyore · December 16th, 2011, 10:17

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Originally Posted by KBarlow

That seems to be what everyone is saying, but 50 votes later and it is still perfectly even.

What do you expect from your gbbr? Answering that will help us point you in the right direction.

I will say this though, WE owns the gbbr market right now due to their innovation and selection.

Kozzie · December 16th, 2011, 17:12

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Originally Posted by KBarlow

That seems to be what everyone is saying, but 50 votes later and it is still perfectly even.

Seems to me like you've received a lot of good info from people that have experience with both systems telling you that they both have their own advantages and disadvantages. Shirley you're not going to let a poll make the decision for you.

m102404 · December 16th, 2011, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Kozzie

Seems to me like you've received a lot of good info from people that have experience with both systems telling you that they both have their own advantages and disadvantages. Shirley you're not going to let a poll make the decision for you.

Don't call me Shirley....

Strelok · December 16th, 2011, 17:46

Wasn't there a user named that (Courtesy of the mods) for the longest while?

Kozzie · December 16th, 2011, 18:38

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Originally Posted by m102404

Don't call me Shirley....

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strelok

Wasn't there a user named that (Courtesy of the mods) for the longest while?

It was Mr. Hitman if I'm not mistaken.

Eeyore · December 17th, 2011, 00:47

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Originally Posted by Kozzie

It was Mr. Hitman if I'm not mistaken.

You are not mistaken, twas a sad day when that gem was removed.

KBarlow · December 17th, 2011, 17:04

I was just interested to see which people prefer. Honestly, the WE SCAR-L GBBR was the first one to really catch my eye, and it's starting to look like the numbers are swaying in WEs favor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eeyore

What do you expect from your gbbr? Answering that will help us point you in the right direction.

I will say this though, WE owns the gbbr market right now due to their innovation and selection.

XZIVR · December 17th, 2011, 17:10

And again,

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Originally Posted by XZIVR

The other thing to keep in mind is most ppl with we experience are talking about the m4. We has made numerous improvements to their later models. I just bought a g36 (g39) and from my research and a convo with the people at Toronto airsoft, the g36 doesn't need nearly as much work out of the box when compared to the m4/PDW/scar. the mag costs a bit more but it is a 3 chamber design so it stands that it would cost 5 bucks more.

kullwarrior · December 17th, 2011, 19:23

Past Experience with GBBR:
Magna System -G&P WOC13 (M4A1 Steel Barrel)
Magna System -Prime DIY M4 GBBR
Magna System -G&P WOC16 (M16A4 Clear Lower)
Escort External Air -Daytonagun AKS74U
Escort External Air -Daytonagun AK74M
KJW M4A1
WE Open Chamber -WE G39E
WE Open Chamber -WE M4A1 (Still have it)
WE Open Chamber -WE M16A3 (Still have it)

-KJW vs WE can be split into these question

Realistic vs Non-leaking 30 rounder?
Realistic -> WE
Non-Leaking -> KJW

OOTB Reliable or Upgradability to full steel internal (and reliable)
OOTB -> KJW
Steel -> WE

Recoil 22lr vs EBB style?
22lr -> WE
EBB -> KJW

Realistic operation, takedown
More realistic -> WE
Less realistic -> KJW

External compatiability
AR-15 & lots of third party -> WE
AEG and some third party ->KJW

I didn't like KJW because of the thermold magazine and the lack of recoil, this is why I have WE M4, M16

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December 15th, 2011, 15:14	#18
Crunchmeister Trader rating Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: In your bedroom going though your underwear drawer	I would lean towards WE just for the fact it has a ton of aftermarket parts. Should anything in a KJW fail (please correct me if I'm wrong), you're pretty much limited to replacing it with KJW parts. I don't know, but if something is to break, I'd rather have the option of replacing it with a stronger aftermarket part than the same stock part that broke in the first place. If something in your WE fails, you can replace wiht aftermarket RA-Tech (or other) steel parts that will basically never break or wear. Personally I haven't tried a KJW and can only speak for my own experience with my WE PDW that I used extensively throughout the summer with only 1 small failure to the nozzle spring, which was an easy fix. Otherwise it's performed flawlessly for tens of thousand rounds now with only regular cleaning as maintenance. But I'd say overall both are excellent guns for the money, and you have to make your own choice which to go for. __________________

December 15th, 2011, 15:34	#19
Sequential Trader rating Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: HKG.YYZ.NRT	KJW offers amazing reliability right out of the box. WE isn't so great, but after a few mods (RA-tech) and what not the WE guns are pretty good. __________________

December 15th, 2011, 14:20	#16
Stealthee a.k.a. cloaked Trader rating Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Scarborough, ON	I've never used KJW so I can't compare, but I do own a WE. From my experience, they perform fantastic when they work, but somewhere along the way, you WILL experience some type of problem varying from minor to a little more PITA issues. WE mags do leak like a bitch, but if you can reseal them (which is fairly easy), they'll be better than new. WE VN mags I haven't used yet, but will get some after hearing that they are very good. One of the sweetest things about the WE system is that you can make it almost all out of real steel parts (modifications may apply) even down to little parts like pins. There's a lot of aftermarket support for the WE, you can use both airsoft or real parts. For the KJW platform, I'm not sure if it's the same, maybe someone else can verify.

December 16th, 2011, 10:13	#21
White_knight Trader rating Join Date: Jul 2006	or buy both, get the KJW to play with and rely on, then build a WE over time to get your mod on. thats what im doing anyway. also LAW airsoft is coming out with STANAG style mags for the KJ __________________ Burnaby / Vancouver area Age verifier

December 16th, 2011, 17:46	#25
Strelok Trader rating Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Brandon Manitoba	Wasn't there a user named that (Courtesy of the mods) for the longest while?

December 17th, 2011, 19:23	#30
kullwarrior Trader rating Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada	Past Experience with GBBR: Magna System -G&P WOC13 (M4A1 Steel Barrel) Magna System -Prime DIY M4 GBBR Magna System -G&P WOC16 (M16A4 Clear Lower) Escort External Air -Daytonagun AKS74U Escort External Air -Daytonagun AK74M KJW M4A1 WE Open Chamber -WE G39E WE Open Chamber -WE M4A1 (Still have it) WE Open Chamber -WE M16A3 (Still have it) -KJW vs WE can be split into these question Realistic vs Non-leaking 30 rounder? Realistic -> WE Non-Leaking -> KJW OOTB Reliable or Upgradability to full steel internal (and reliable) OOTB -> KJW Steel -> WE Recoil 22lr vs EBB style? 22lr -> WE EBB -> KJW Realistic operation, takedown More realistic -> WE Less realistic -> KJW External compatiability AR-15 & lots of third party -> WE AEG and some third party ->KJW I didn't like KJW because of the thermold magazine and the lack of recoil, this is why I have WE M4, M16 __________________ Last edited by kullwarrior; December 18th, 2011 at 11:19..

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